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[[!tag open_issue_gnumach open_issue_hurd open_issue_viengoos]]
[[microkernel/Mach]] interfaces do not allow for proper resource accounting,
when a server allocates resources on behalf of a client.
Mach can't do a good job at resource management, as it doesn't have enough
information how resources are used: which data is important and which is
discardable, for example.
These issues are what Neal Walfield is working on with his new kernel
[[microkernel/viengoos]].
# Kernel
Inside the [[kernel]], there is commonly a need to allocate resources according
to externally induced demand, dynamically. For example, for memory-management
data structures (page tables), process table entries, thread control blocks,
[[capability]] tables, incoming network packages, blocks that are read in from
disk, the keyboard type-ahead buffer for a in-kernel keyboard driver. Some of
these are due to actions driven by user-space requests, others are due to
actions internal to the the kernel itself. Some of these buffers can be sized
statically (keyboard type-ahead buffer), and are thus unproblematic. Others
are not, and should thus be attributed to their user space entities. In the
latter (ideal) case, all resources -- that is, including those needed inside
the kernel -- that a user space task needs for execution are provided by itself
(and, in turn, provided by its parent / principal), and the kernel itself does
not need to allocate any resources dynamically out of an its own memory pool.
This avoids issues like [[microkernel/Mach]]'s [[zalloc_panics]] upon user
space processes allocating too many [[microkernel/mach/port]]s, for example.
[[!toggleable id=fof_plos09 text="""[[!template id=note
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In [[!toggle id=fof_plos09 text="[fof\_plos09]"]], the authors describe in
section 3 how they model their [[capability]] system according to [[!toggle
id=sel4 text="[sel4]"]] using a *retype* operation that *takes an existing
capability and produces one or more derived capabilities [...] used to create
new kernel-level memory objects (such as page tables or execution contexts)
from capabilities to raw regions of RAM*.
This is, of course, non-trivial to implement, and also requires changing the
[[RPC]] interfaces, for example, but it is a valid approach, a research topic.
([[!taglink open_issue_documentation]]: compare this to Linux [`vmsplice`'s
SPLICE_F_GIFT
flag](http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man2/vmsplice.2.html#DESCRIPTION).)
## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-07-31
< braunr> one of the biggest problems on the hurd is that, when a client
makes a call, kernel (and other) resources are allocated on behalf of the
server performaing the requested action
< braunr> performing*
< braunr> this makes implementing scheduling and limits difficult
< CTKArcher> And could changing the kernel change anything to that ?
< braunr> yes but you'd probably need to change its interface as well
< braunr> iirc, the critique describes resource containers
< braunr> but no work has been done on the current hurd (hence the hurdng
attempts)
## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-08-13
In context of <https://teythoon.cryptobitch.de/posts/my-worst-week-yet/>.
<braunr> teythoon: actually, thread migration isn't required for resource
accounting
[[service_solahart_jakarta_selatan__082122541663/Mach_migrating_threads]].
<teythoon> braunr: but it solves it for free, doesn't it?
<braunr> teythoon: no
<braunr> it's really more complicated than that
# Further Examples
* [[hurd/critique]]
* [[IO_accounting]]
* [[service_solahart_jakarta_selatan__082122541663/translators_set_up_by_untrusted_users]], and [[pagers]]
* [[configure_max_command_line_length]]
## [[hurd/translator/exec]] server
### IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-08-05
<teythoon> unzipping stuff in the exec server enables a dos on filesystem
translators
<teythoon> https://teythoon.cryptobitch.de/gsoc/heap/hello-1g.bz2 is
/hurd/hello padded with a gig of zeros, compressed with bzip2
<teythoon> if set as an passive translator, it stalls other requests to the
filesystem, at least it does if ext2fs is used
<braunr> teythoon: ?
<braunr> teythoon: what's the dos here ?
<teythoon> I can prevent you from doing anything with the root filesystem
<teythoon> I'm kind of surprised myself, maybe a lock is held during the
exec of the translator?
<teythoon> the filesystem the hello-1g.bz2 translator is bound to is
affected
<braunr> teythoon: i don't understand
<braunr> have you tried starting something from another file system ?
<braunr> the lock may simply be in the exec server itself
<teythoon> no, starting other things works fine
<teythoon> but on the other hand, a find / is stalled
<braunr> :/
<braunr> *sigh*
<teythoon> don't worry
<teythoon> there is a solution :p
<braunr> :)
<teythoon> and it only requires deleting code
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