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+IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-11-26:
+
+    <antrik> BTW, how much effort is necessary to fix dbus?
+    <pinotree> basically, have pflocal know who's the sender
+      (pid/uid/gid/groups) in the socket send op
+
+IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-12-16:
+
+    <braunr> pinotree: what's the problem with dbus ?
+    <pinotree> braunr: select() returning 0 changed fd's with very short (eg <
+      1ms) timeouts when there are actually events;
+
+[[select]].
+
+    <pinotree> and missing socket credentials
+
+[[sendmsg_scm_creds]].
+
+    <braunr> oh
+    <braunr> which socket creds interface ?
+    <pinotree> bsd, i.e. with SCM_CREDENTIALS payload for cmsg on
+      {recv,send}msg()
+    <braunr> ok
+    <braunr> SCM_RIGHTS too ?
+    <braunr> the select issue seems weird though
+    <pinotree> hm no, that's for passing fd's to other processes
+    <braunr> is it specific to pflocal or does dbus use pfinet too ?
+    <pinotree> iirc on very short timeouts the application has no time waiting
+      for the reply of servers
+    <braunr> i see
+    <pinotree> braunr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=79358
+    <braunr> thanks
+    <pinotree> (the interesting messages are from #53 and on)
+    <braunr> 2000 eh ... :)
+    <braunr> hm i agree with neal, i don't understand why the timeout is given
+      to the kernel as part of the mach_msg call
+
+IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-12-20:
+
+    <braunr> hm, i don't see any occurrence of SCM_CREDENTIALS in dbus
+    <braunr> only SCM_RIGHTS
+    <pinotree> braunr: yes, that one
+    <braunr> oh
+    <braunr> i thought you said the opposite last time
+    <pinotree> dbus/dbus-sysdeps-unix.c, write_credentials_byte and
+      _dbus_read_credentials_socket (with #define HAVE_CMSGCRED)
+    <braunr> hm
+    <braunr> which version ?
+    <braunr> i don't see anything in 1.4.16
+    <pinotree> 1.4.16
+    <braunr> grmbl
+    <braunr> ah, i see
+    <braunr> SCM_CREDS
+    <pinotree> if you want, i have a simplier .c source with it
+    <braunr> no i'm just gathering info
+    <pinotree> ok
+    <braunr> what's the deal with SCM_CREDS and SCM_CREDENTIALS ?
+    <braunr> bsd vs sysv ?
+    <braunr> oh, http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2002/03/msg00135.html
+    <braunr> so we actually do want both SCM_CREDS and SCM_RIGHTS for debus
+    <braunr> dbus
+    <pinotree> SCM_RIGHTS is a different matter, it is for passing fd's
+    <braunr> yes
+    <braunr> but it's used by dbus
+    <braunr> so if we can get it, it should help too
+    <pinotree> there's a preliminary patch for it done by emilio time ago, and
+      iirc it's applied to debian's glibc
+    <braunr> ah, he changed the libc
+    <braunr> right, that's the only sane way
+    <pinotree> iirc roland didn't like one or more parts of it (but i could be
+      wrong)
+    <braunr> ok