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diff --git a/microkernel/mach/deficiencies.mdwn b/microkernel/mach/deficiencies.mdwn
index e1f6debc..9ba67219 100644
--- a/microkernel/mach/deficiencies.mdwn
+++ b/microkernel/mach/deficiencies.mdwn
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]]
+[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2012, 2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]]
 
 [[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable
 id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this
@@ -520,3 +520,11 @@ In context of [[open_issues/multithreading]] and later [[open_issues/select]].
 
     <braunr> for those interested, x15 is now a project of its own, with no
       gnumach compability goal, and covered by gplv3+
+
+
+### IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-12-31
+
+    <braunr> bits of news about x15: it can now create tasks, threads, vm_maps,
+      physical maps (cpu-specific page tables) for user tasks, and stack
+      tracing (in addition to symbol resolution when symbols are available)
+      were recently added
diff --git a/microkernel/mach/gnumach.mdwn b/microkernel/mach/gnumach.mdwn
index edd0cfdb..894adc76 100644
--- a/microkernel/mach/gnumach.mdwn
+++ b/microkernel/mach/gnumach.mdwn
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2001, 2002, 2007, 2008, 2011 Free Software
+[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2001, 2002, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2013 Free Software
 Foundation, Inc."]]
 
 [[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable
@@ -79,6 +79,8 @@ GNU/Hurd.
   * [[Debugging]]
   * [[Boot_Trace]]
   * [[Memory_Management]]
+  * [[Continuation]]s
+  * [[Preemption]]
   * [[Projects]]
       * [[Rules]]
       * [[Open Issues|tag/open_issue_gnumach]]
diff --git a/microkernel/mach/continuation.mdwn b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/continuation.mdwn
index 7a3267f3..cdd942b7 100644
--- a/microkernel/mach/continuation.mdwn
+++ b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/continuation.mdwn
@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@
-[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]]
+[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2010, 2012, 2013 Free Software Foundation,
+Inc."]]
 
 [[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable
 id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this
@@ -8,7 +9,9 @@ Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts.  A copy of the license
 is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation
 License|/fdl]]."]]"""]]
 
-[[Mach]] internally uses *continuation*s for kernel [[thread]] management.
+[[!tag open_issue_gnumach]]
+
+[[Mach]] internally uses *[[/continuation]]*s for kernel [[thread]] management.
 
 The advantage is that not a full kernel thread stack has to be preserved in
 case that a thread is about to enter a blocking state.  This saves space.  It
@@ -16,9 +19,8 @@ is not clear this is still worthwhile given today's RAM offerings.  (How many
 kernel threads are there, typically?)
 
 And, this would no longer be possible in case Mach were be made a
-[[preemptive|preemtion]] kernel.  In the latter case, the kernel itself, that
+[[preemptive|preemption]] kernel.  In the latter case, the kernel itself, that
 is, kernel threads can be preempted, and then their full state needs to be
 preserved.
 
-[[!tag open_issue_documentation]] <!-- Not linked to from any Mach page.  Move
-to GNU Mach pages, as this is only an implementation detail?  -->
+See also [[open_issues/multithreading]].
diff --git a/microkernel/mach/gnumach/hardware_compatibility_list.mdwn b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/hardware_compatibility_list.mdwn
index 874f5f07..3a4f560c 100644
--- a/microkernel/mach/gnumach/hardware_compatibility_list.mdwn
+++ b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/hardware_compatibility_list.mdwn
@@ -1,5 +1,5 @@
-[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 Free Software Foundation,
-Inc."]]
+[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013 Free Software
+Foundation, Inc."]]
 
 [[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable
 id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this
@@ -91,6 +91,11 @@ Configuration](http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/gnumach-doc/Configuration.html)
 contains a list of device drivers that are included in GNU Mach and elaborates
 on the hardware devices they support.
 
+## DDE
+
+[[hurd/DDE]] provides more up-to-date network device drivers, based on Linux
+2.6.29 code, running as user-space processes.
+
 # User Success Reports
 
 These boards are known to work. Gnumach/Hurd has been installed and run on these board successfully. 
diff --git a/microkernel/mach/gnumach/memory_management.mdwn b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/memory_management.mdwn
index 3e158b7c..a1d9a99d 100644
--- a/microkernel/mach/gnumach/memory_management.mdwn
+++ b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/memory_management.mdwn
@@ -133,3 +133,47 @@ License|/fdl]]."]]"""]]
     <braunr> using sysenter/sysexit makes it even faster
 
 [[open_issues/system_call_mechanism]].
+
+
+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-12-12
+
+    <braunr> youpi: is the 2g split patch really needed ?
+    <braunr> or rather, is it really a good thing for most people ?
+    <braunr> instead of the common 3g/1g
+    <braunr> it reduces tasks' address space but allows the kernel to reference
+      more physical memory
+    <braunr> the thing is, because of the current page cache implementation,
+      most of the time, this physical memory remains unused, or very rarely
+    <youpi> ?
+    <braunr> on the other hand, a larger address space for tasks allows running
+      more threads (more space for tasks) and not failing while linking webkit
+      .. :)
+    <youpi> it's needed for quite a few compilations, yes
+    <braunr> if you refer to the link stage, with a decent amount of swap, it
+      goes without trouble
+    <youpi> well, if your kernel doesn't have 2GiB physical addressing
+      capacity, userspace won't have >2GiB memory capacity either
+    <youpi> does it now?
+    <youpi> it didn't use to
+    <youpi> and it was crawling like hell for some builds
+    <youpi> (until simply hanging)
+    <braunr> i never have a problem e.g. runing the big malloc glibc test
+    <braunr> (bug22 or something like that)
+    <youpi> that doesn't involve objects from the fs, does it?
+    <braunr> no
+    <braunr> as long as it's anonymous memory, it's ok
+    <braunr> the default pager looks safe, i'm pretty sure our lockups are
+      because of something in ext2fs
+    <youpi> braunr: well, an alternative would be to build two kernels, one 2/2
+      and one 3/1
+    <braunr> not really worth it
+    <braunr> i was just wondering
+    <braunr> i usually prefer a 3/1 on darnassus, but i don't build as often as
+      a buildd :x
+    <youpi> or we can go with 2.5/1.5
+    <youpi> I can do that on bach & mozart for instance
+    <youpi> (they have their own kernel anyway)
+    <braunr> youpi: if you think it's worth the effort
+    <braunr> again, i was just wondering out loud
+    <youpi> braunr: well, bach & mozart don't have > 1.2GiB mem anyway
+    <youpi> so it doesn't pose problem
diff --git a/microkernel/mach/gnumach/preemption.mdwn b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/preemption.mdwn
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..520f7bc9
--- /dev/null
+++ b/microkernel/mach/gnumach/preemption.mdwn
@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2010, 2012, 2013 Free Software Foundation,
+Inc."]]
+
+[[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable
+id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this
+document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or
+any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant
+Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts.  A copy of the license
+is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation
+License|/fdl]]."]]"""]]
+
+[[!tag open_issue_gnumach]]
+
+There currently is no kernel preemption in GNU Mach.
+
+If GNU Mach were made a a preemptive kernel, using [[continuation]]s would
+probably no longer make sense as the kernel itself, that is, kernel threads can
+be preempted, and then their full state needs to be preserved.
+
+See also [[open_issues/multithreading]].
diff --git a/microkernel/mach/message/msgh_id.mdwn b/microkernel/mach/message/msgh_id.mdwn
index 986fcbc7..a7157a37 100644
--- a/microkernel/mach/message/msgh_id.mdwn
+++ b/microkernel/mach/message/msgh_id.mdwn
@@ -252,3 +252,8 @@ files.
       that adds a gnumach.defs interface
     <braunr> tschwinge: if you think it's ok, i'll rewrite a formal changelog
       so it can be applied
+
+
+## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-09-30
+
+    <braunr> youpi: hey, didn't see you merged the page cache stats branch :)