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A copy of the license +is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation +License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] + + +# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-02-09 + + <tschwinge> We need an httpd (Apache used to work), and ikiwiki and some + such stuff. + <tschwinge> This has its own git repository. + <tschwinge> This was on a separate virtual machine. + <tschwinge> Then there was the Git repository on flubber used for people to + push to. + <tschwinge> Ho -- let me actually try to remember the setup. Has been some + years... + <braunr> what machine currently hosts the wiki ? + <tschwinge> Anyway, there is no requirement for the web server to be on a + separate machine; your decision. + <tschwinge> braunr: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/public_hurd_boxen.html + <tschwinge> snubber + <tschwinge> That was the web server. + <braunr> isn't it gnu.org ? + <tschwinge> And flubber had the repository for developers to push to. + <tschwinge> No, gnu.org is updated manually (by me). + <braunr> ah + <tschwinge> It'S a snapshot of the wiki so to say. + <braunr> ok so, is this wiki really meant to be modifiable from a browser ? + <tschwinge> + http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/contributing/web_pages.html#index5h2 + <tschwinge> Yes. + <braunr> i see + <tschwinge> I should still be able to access the data from Barry's zenhost + (including all the VMs it hosted), so I should be able to replicate that + quite easily. + <braunr> do you think it could be hosted on darnassus, or would you like a + separate vm ? + <tschwinge> The repository for people to push to and pull from (used to be + on flubber) would be on darnassus now. + <tschwinge> About the web server, hmm. + <tschwinge> It's basically a security concern. + <tschwinge> And it might get hammered by bots from time to time. + <braunr> it won't need much resources i suppose + <tschwinge> No. The web server (snubber) was running with 242 MiB of RAM, + and had uptimes of several weeks typically. + <braunr> tschwinge: otherwise, could it use the web server running on the + host ? + <tschwinge> The host being darnassus? + <braunr> no + <braunr> shattrath, the linux system + <tschwinge> Ah. + <tschwinge> Sure. + <tschwinge> There is no requirement this to be a Hurd system -- was just + nice to show to people. + <braunr> i think it is too + <braunr> what's the problem with darnassus ? + <braunr> yçou mentioned security + <tschwinge> The web server being a public-facing component which might be + broken into. + <braunr> how ? + <braunr> it's so much easier to just ask for an account .. :) + <tschwinge> Web server bugs, CGI script bugs, etc. + <tschwinge> Sure. + <tschwinge> I just wanted to make you aware of it. :-) + <braunr> oh don't worry + <braunr> ok so darnassus it is + <pinotree> was it running apache? maybe, if other (lighter?) web servers + are tested to work on hurd, they could be used + <tschwinge> pinotree: Yes, and yes. + <braunr> doesn't ikiwiki need php ? + <tschwinge> Only requirement (I think) is abaility to run CGI scripts. + <tschwinge> braunr: No. It's written in perl. + <braunr> ok + <braunr> i still think i'll use apache + <braunr> it's really not that heavy + <braunr> lighter servers matter when the number of concurrent clients get + very high + <tschwinge> Then I'll figure out how exactly the setup was between flubber + and snubber. + <braunr> ok + <braunr> it's good to finally get that going :) + <tschwinge> braunr: Of course ;-) -- I had some parts of the process + documented: + http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/public_hurd_boxen/installation/snubber.html + <tschwinge> If both Git repositories are to be on the same machine + (darnassus) we might not actually need inetutils-inetd and netcat. + <tschwinge> Still trying to figure out what I had done there... ;-) + <tschwinge> OK, I again understand the setup. Last been touched in the + 2008/2009 timeframe. ;-) + <braunr> :) + <tschwinge> braunr: Please use the following ikiwiki packages: dpkg -i + ~tschwinge/tmp/ikiwiki_3.20110608_all.deb + <braunr> what makes this package special ? + <tschwinge> Some patch that I added to get rendering of our news pages + correct. + <braunr> ok + <tschwinge> I have not updated it ever since (and the patch was not yet in + a suitable form for upstream). + <tschwinge> Nothing major. + <braunr> tschwinge: why is the ikiwiki package status hi ? + <tschwinge> braunr: I set it to hold. + <braunr> ah ok + <braunr> so you finished your pat i suppose + <braunr> i'll install apache + <braunr> part* + <tschwinge> I'll add a hurd-web user. + <tschwinge> So... I actually have to locate a backup of the files from + flubber related to the wiki, + * tschwinge goes searching his backup devices. + <braunr> i added userdirs on darnassus' apache + <tschwinge> braunr: I just noticed when I wanted to add it myself. ;-) + <tschwinge> braunr: Do you know about CGI scripts? + <braunr> yes + <tschwinge> braunr: snubber had these in /var/www/cgi-bin/; darnassus now + in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/. + <tschwinge> ikiwiki needs to install one CGI script. + <braunr> ok + <tschwinge> Does this go into /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ then? Or into ~hurd-web/ + and a symlink somewhere? + <braunr> ikiwiki should have installed it where it's appropriate + <braunr> normally in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ + <tschwinge> It's a CGI script that is generated per ikiwiki instance, so + specific to hurd-web. + <braunr> where does it install it by default ? + <tschwinge> $PWD ;-) + <braunr> ah + <braunr> it seems a bit silly to me to generate cgi scripts :/ + <braunr> i don't care much actually, we won't have virtual servers + <braunr> so anywhere is fine + <tschwinge> What does the +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch Apache option mean? + <braunr> apache will normally not follow symlink + <braunr> unless the owner of the symlink is the same as the target's + <braunr> (with this option) + <tschwinge> That's enabled for CGI scripts. So would it work to have a + symlink /usr/lib/cgi-bin/hurd-web.cgi -> ~hurd-web/hurd-web.cgi? + <braunr> the traditional way to access cgi scripts is to explicitely refer + to them as http://server/cgi-bin/script + <braunr> using *.cgi may allow too open access to cgis + <braunr> (although normally, the userdir conf should disable them) + <braunr> hm not sure it does + <braunr> so put it in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ + <tschwinge> So the hurd-web ikiwiki instance just needs to be configured + accordingly with the URL where the CGI script will be found, and then it + will render the pages accordingly. + <tschwinge> OK. + <braunr> and just named hurd-web + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-02-10 + + <tschwinge> http://darnassus.sceen.net/~hurd-web/ + <tschwinge> Have at it! + <tschwinge> braunr: ^ + <braunr> :) + <braunr> great + <tschwinge> And push to/pull from darnassus:~hurd-web/hurd-web.git for Git + access. + <tschwinge> Will update the web pages tomorrow, and all that. + <tschwinge> braunr: And also install gitweb on darnassus, so one can view + diffs of the wiki pages, etc. OK? + <braunr> tschwinge: there are still links towards bddebian + <braunr> history for example + <braunr> just fyi, we can look at this tomorrow + <tschwinge> braunr: Yes, that'S what I need gitweb for. + <tschwinge> braunr: gitweb installed, hurd-web URLs fixed (s%bddebian%darnassus), also some more ikiwiki-related Perl pacakges installed (openID login, for example). |