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authorhttps://me.yahoo.com/a/g3Ccalpj0NhN566pHbUl6i9QF0QEkrhlfPM-#b1c14 <diana@web>2015-02-16 20:08:03 +0100
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+[[!tag open_issue_documentation open_issue_hurd]]
+
+We would expect that fine-grained, compartmentalized systems, that is,
+microkernel-based multi-server systems in particular, would be ideal candidates
+for applying multiprocessing. That is, however, only true from a first and
+inexperienced point of view: there are many difficulties.
+
+
+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, August / September 2010
+
+ <marcusb> silver_hook: because multi-server systems depend on inter-process
+ communication, and inter-process communication is many times more
+ expensive across cpus
+ <marcusb> silver_hook: so you either force interrelated work on the same
+ cpu, or suffer heavy penalties. and in a typical fine-grained object
+ system, all objects are interconnected!
+ <marcusb> silver_hook: resources in today's systems, even in a single node
+ with one cpu, but more so in a network, are very non-uniform. scheduling
+ these resources efficiently is a huge problem. restricting the resource
+ distribution policies in the way microkernel systems tend to do is posing
+ serious research challenges
+
+
+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-07-26
+
+ < braunr> 12:03 < CTKArcher> and does the hurd take more advantages in a
+ multicore architecture than linux ?
+ < braunr> CTKArcher: short answer: no
+ < CTKArcher> it's easier to imagine one server pro core than the linux
+ kernel divided to be executed on multiple cores
+ < braunr> CTKArcher: this approach is less efficient
+ < braunr> CTKArcher: threads carry state, both explicit and implicit (like
+ cache data)
+ < braunr> CTKArcher: switching to another core means resetting and
+ refetching this state
+ < braunr> it's expensive and there is no gain obtained by doing this
+ < braunr> thread migration (having a thread from a client also run in
+ servers when making synchronous RPC, even handling its own page faults)
+ was implemented in mach4 and is imo a very good thing we should have
+ < braunr> CTKArcher: and concerning linux, it's actually very scalable
+ < braunr> it's already like if all client threads run in servers (the
+ kernel is the servers there)
+ < braunr> rcu is used a lot
+ < braunr> thread migration already takes into account smt, cores, and numa
+ < braunr> it's hard to do something better
+ < braunr> (here, thread migration means being dispatched on another cpu)
+
+
+# debian-hurd list
+
+On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 05:40:00PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
+> Georg Lehner writes:
+>
+> > - One promise of the microkernel architecture is better performance on
+> > multiprocessor systems, or multicomputer systems. What is the status
+> > of Gnu Mach with respect to these.
+>
+> This may or may not be true. The Hurd is built around a microkernel
+> architecture because of its conceptual elegance and flexibility.
+> Other touted advantages may be more illusory than real, at least, they
+> aren't something *we* are proclaiming is our motivation.
+
+
+---
+
+See also: [[multithreading]].