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+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-11-18
+
+    <nocturnal> I'm learning about GNU Hurd and was speculating with a friend
+      who is also a computer enthusiast. I would like to know if Hurds
+      microkernel can recover services should they crash? and if it can, does
+      that recovery code exist in multiple services or just one core kernel
+      service? 
+    <braunr> nocturnal: you should read about passive translators
+    <braunr> basically, there is no dedicated service to restore crashed
+      servers
+    <etenil> Hi everyone!
+    <braunr> services can crash and be restarted, but persistence support is
+      limited, and rather per serivce
+    <braunr> actually persistence is more a side effect than a designed thing
+    <braunr> etenil: hello
+    <etenil> braunr: translators can also be spawned on an ad-hoc basis, for
+      instance when accessing a particular file, no?
+    <braunr> that's what being passive, for a translator, means
+    <etenil> ah yeah I thought so :)
+
+
+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-11-19
+
+    <chromaticwt> will hurd ever have the equivalent of a rs server?, is that
+      even possible with hurd?
+    <youpi> chromaticwt: what is an rs server ?
+    <chromaticwt> a reincarnation server
+    <youpi> ah, like minix. Well, the main ground issue is restoring existing
+      information, such as pids of processes, etc.
+    <youpi> I don't know how minix manages it
+    <antrik> chromaticwt: I have a vision of a session manager that could also
+      take care of reincarnation... but then, knowing myself, I'll probably
+      never imlement it
+    <youpi> we do get proc  crashes from times to times
+    <youpi> it'd be cool to see the system heal itself :)
+    <braunr> i need a better description of reincarnation
+    <braunr> i didn't think it would make core servers like proc able to get
+      resurrected in a safe way
+    <antrik> depends on how it is implemented
+    <antrik> I don't know much about Minix, but I suspect they can recover most
+      core servers
+    <antrik> essentially, the condition is to make all precious state be
+      constantly serialised, and held by some third party, so the reincarnated
+      server could restore it
+    <braunr> should it work across reboots ?
+    <antrik> I haven't thought about the details of implementing it for each
+      core server; but proc should be doable I guess... it's not necessary for
+      the system to operate, just for various UNIX mechanisms
+    <antrik> well, I'm not aware of the Minix implementation working across
+      reboots. the one I have in mind based on a generic session management
+      infrastructure should though :-)