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@@ -8,75 +8,13 @@ System is one of the goals of the [GNU Project](, which was
[Richard Stallman](
+## Resources
-It is our wish and goal to establish a new direction for the GNU system distribution. To that end, this page will begin setting some direction. This was spawned by several discussions over a few days on the Hurd mailing lists and IRC.
-This is not intended to detract from Debian GNU/Hurd and we should help them where we can.
-I really want this to be more of a community driven effort in the spirit of say, Ubuntu. We all have different motivations and skill levels but we need a common goal to get this system going.
-These are just some quick notes I am making late at night. Let's clean this up.
-## <a name="Motivations"> Motivations </a>
-1. There is a possibility that Debian drops support for GNU/Hurd.
-2. Other GNU/Linux distributions do not support the Hurd infrastructure well.
-3. Benefiting from the Hurd design and using a microkernel.
-4. Freedom.
-## <a name="Community"> Community </a>
+ * [[mailing_lists/gnu-system-discuss]] mailing list
-1. Let's establish some ground rules.
-2. We need infrastructure
- * Wiki for community documentation
- * Mailing lists like gnu-system-discuss exists for mostly technical items
- * IRC channels like #hug and ##hurd
- * Perhaps less formal and less intimidating channels and mailing lists would involve broader parts of the community
-3. We need a community vision and direction.
- * Let's work together for a common goal
- * Let's establish goals and priorities and get resources on them. (More later)
- * Major goal to create a system making full use of Hurd features?
- * We should never hesitate to throw away existing stuff whenever it hinders us to make good use of Hurd features
- * However, we should try to reuse existing stuff (from Debian for example) as long as it doesn't limit our possibilities or impose considerable overhead
- * Let's have fun. It's GNU and it's important but let's enjoy ourselves.
## Download
- * Official GNU snapshot <>
* Extended GNU distribution <>
-## <a name="Tools"> Tools </a>
-1. Developer Needs
- * RPC Trace
-2. Installer
- * Native installer would be preferred but we can bootstrap GNU/Linux for now if necessary
-3. Package Management
- * There is a proposal to use stowfs. Let's get this going and test it out. Can it be made to work? How long will it take?
- * Repository for packages
- * Probably we can host it on the GNU servers
- * Bug / Issue tracking
- * Probably we should set up a Savannah project
- * How to handle experimental patches to the core packages (Hurd, Mach, libc etc.) that are not in official CVS yet?
-## Resources
- * [[Universal_package_manager]]
- * How to [[set_up_GNU|setup]] and archiver for GNU
- * [[Create_an_image]]
-## <a name="Todo"> Todo </a>
-1. AMS had made a GNU release. We can try it and test it to good use. We can fix broken things in it, and enhance it.
- * The snapshot is very old. Probably better to build something from current stuff, even if it means more work
- * ams said that he would like to get a new snapshot out that would be on a Live CD and using stowfs. I think what we need to do is start using/fixing GNU System Creator (GSC) to build packages for this effort.
-2. GNU is all about freedom AND ease of use. So, given installers are by nature quite complex, how should we install GNU on users's computers? I think ams's GSC comes into play here, maybe ams or sdschulze could (re-)write specifications of GSC.
-3. Until we have an installer ready, we could go the Gentoo-like route, and have every part manually installed. A good installation documentation may help. Our next milestone may be just this (in case ams hasn't already done it):
- * have a good installation document out, with all the required packages hosted at or
- * get stowfs working
-4. Maybe try to use hacked Debian packages until we get native ones?
-5. Move on, start coding, documenting, packaging.
-I tried refactoring this page, but didn't get far. -- [[Main/AaronHawley]] - 18 Feb 2006
+ As of 2013-01, the latest image provided there is from 2006.