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+ Frequently Asked Questions about the GNU Hurd
+
+This document attempts to answer the questions that most often plague
+users when they are talking about, installing, using, compiling and
+developing the GNU Hurd as well as its binary distribution Debian
+GNU/Hurd. Be sure to read this before asking for help.
+
+The GNU Hurd is under active development and a stable version has not
+yet been released. Be aware that: there is a lot of work yet to be
+completed; you will find bugs; your system will crash. That said, there
+is a lot of room for contributions at all levels: development of the
+Hurd and Mach proper, porting applications, writing documentation and,
+most importantly, user feedback.
+
+Should you have a question that is not answered by this document and you
+feel that it should be, submit it and, if possible, with an answer.
+
+Each section is copyright its respective author(s). Permission is
+granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms
+of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.1 or any later version
+published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections,
+with no Front-Cover Texts and with no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the
+license is included in the file COPYRIGHT.
+
+ Neal H Walfield
+ neal@cs.uml.edu
+
+? Generally Speaking
+
+?? What is a Multiserver Microkernel?
+
+{NHW} A Microkernel has nothing to do with the size of the kernel.
+Rather, it refers to the functionality that the kernel provides. It is
+generally agreed that this is; a set of interfaces to allow processes to
+communicate and a way to talk to the hardware. ``Software drivers,'' as
+I like to call them, are then implemented in user space as servers. The
+most obvious examples of these are the TCP/IP stack, the ext2 filesystem
+and NFS. In the case of the Hurd, users now have access to
+functionality that, in a monolithic kernel, they could never use, but
+now, because the server runs in user space as the user that started it,
+they may, for instance, mount an FTP filesystem in their home directory.
+
+For more information about the design of the Hurd, read the paper by
+Thomas Bushnell, BSG: ``Towards a new strategy on OS design'',
+available at:
+
+ http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd-paper.html
+
+?? Grammatically speaking, what is the Hurd?
+
+{NHW} ``Hurd'', as an acronym, stands for ``Hird of Unix-Replacing
+Daemons''. Hird, in turn, stands for ``Hurd of Interfaces
+Representing Depth''.
+
+We treat ``Hurd'' as a title rather than as a proper name: it requires
+an article, as in ``the Hurd''. For instance: ``The ext2 filesystem
+is provided by the Hurd, not by Mach.'' Note that all of the
+following are incorrect: ``Hurd'', ``HURD'', ``The HURD'', and ``the
+hurd''.
+
+We write ``the GNU Hurd'' instead of ``the Hurd'' when we want to
+emphasize that the Hurd is a GNU package. Once this has been made
+clear, we usually use the shorter form, without ``GNU''.
+
+The whole operating system includes not only the kernel and the system
+servers, but also many more programs. This system is called ``GNU'',
+or ``the GNU operating system''. The GNU programs can also run on
+other operating system kernels. We say ``GNU/Hurd'' when we want to
+put emphasis on the fact that this is the GNU system running on top of
+the Hurd, and to contrast it with the GNU/Linux system which is GNU
+using Linux as the kernel.
+
+Finally, there is ``Debian GNU/Hurd''. This refers to the distribution
+of the GNU system as created by the Debian developers. For example:
+``What do you run on your laptop? Debian GNU/Hurd, of course.''
+
+The French generally write ``le Hurd''--that is, they treat the
+name as masculine singular, capitalized as in English.
+
+When we are referring to the microkernel, we say ``Mach'' and use it
+as a proper noun. For example: ``Mach uses the device drivers found
+in version 2.0.x of Linux.'' We sometimes say ``The Mach
+microkernel'' instead of just ``Mach''.
+
+?? What mailing lists are there?
+
+{NHW} There are four principle mailing lists:
+
+- bug-hurd@gnu.org: Development of the Hurd and Mach.
+- help-hurd@gnu.org: General questions about the Hurd.
+- web-hurd@gnu.org: Maintenance of the Hurd webpages at
+ http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
+- debian-hurd@lists.debian.org: All things related to Debian GNU/Hurd
+ (especially porting issues).
+
+Subscribe in the usual manner.
+
+?? Where do I submit bug reports?
+
+{AMS} Either send the bug report as an email to bug-hurd@gnu.org, or
+use the Savannah Bug Tracker at
+http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=hurd.
+
+?? Is there a TODO list?
+
+{NHW} Yes, in fact, several.
+
+- <hurd>/tasks
+- <hurd>/TODO
+
+?? When is the next release?
+
+{NHW} No one seems to know. However, the Hurd is definitely runnable,
+try it and help us get there.
+
+?? Why is `/usr' a symbolic link to `.'?
+
+{MB,FH} The distinction between `/' and `/usr' has historical reasons.
+Back when Unix systems were booted from two tapes, a small root tape
+and a big user tape. Today, we like to use different partitions for
+these two spaces. The Hurd throws this historical garbage away. We
+think that we have found a more flexible solution called union
+filesystems, which allow to create virtual filesystems which are the
+union of several other filesystems. However, support for union
+filesystems is still in early development.
+
+?? Why is there no information on the official website
+ about the Hurd port to L4 (Hurd/L4)?
+
+{OK} There is an ongoing effort to port the Hurd to the L4 microkernel
+family. This will take time and the port is not in a releasable state
+-- this is why there is no information about the L4 port on the
+website for the Hurd project <http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd> other
+than this FAQ entry.
+
+The development of Hurd/L4 is being done in the `hurd-l4' module of
+the Hurd CVS repository. The `doc' directory contains a design
+document that is worth reading for anyone who wishes to learn more
+about Hurd/L4. If you wish to follow the development or contribute
+patches to Hurd/L4, please subscribe to the l4-hurd@gnu.org mailing
+list <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/l4-hurd>.
+
+?? There is so much spam in GNU mailing lists! Why?
+
+{OK} GNU mailing lists don't have spam filters so that anyone can post
+to mailing lists and mail won't get lost. It's expected that
+subscribers have their own spam filtering.
+
+Please don't raise this topic in Hurd mailing lists -- it's off-topic
+issue. Search mailing lists archives for threads about spam in Hurd
+mailing lists.
+
+? Installation
+
+?? Where do I get Debian GNU/Hurd?
+
+{AMS} Instructions on how to download and install Debian GNU/Hurd are
+available at http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/
+
+Debian GNU/Hurd can also be installed using a CD, information about it
+can be found at the following site:
+http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd
+
+?? How do I install Debian GNU/Hurd?
+
+{NHW} Consult one of the installation guides. The most up to date guide
+can be found at:
+
+ http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install
+
+?? What kind of hardware is supported?
+
+{NHW} Currently, the GNU Hurd only runs on IA32 machines, however,
+porting to other architectures should not be difficult: the code has
+always been written with portability in mind.
+
+With respect to drivers, GNU Mach uses a subset of the drivers from the
+Linux 2.0.x kernel. A relatively complete hardware compatibility guide
+can be found at:
+
+ http://www.nongnu.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html
+
+If you run into trouble, it is most likely that:
+
+- You are using IRQ sharing; GNU Mach does not support this in the
+ least.
+- A device driver is frobbing the hardware and accidentally activating
+ the wrong device.
+
+In the former case, you should start removing devices or play with the
+BIOS. As for the latter, GNU Mach does not support loadable kernel
+modules. Therefore, you will have to compile a new kernel and only
+activate those device drivers that you actually need.
+
+?? What partition type should I use for my GNU/Hurd partitions?
+
+{MB} You should use an ext2 filesystem. Alternatively, you may use BSD
+style ufs. The partition type number for ext2fs is 0x83 (this is the
+same as in Linux), not 0x63 (GNU HURD). Thomas explains why 0x63 is the
+wrong choice:
+
+ One day we may have a new filesystem format, which would
+ probably be called the GNU Hurd filesystem format, and might
+ well use that partition code.
+
+Regardless, as Roland points out, it is always an error to use that code
+for an ext2fs partition,
+
+?? How do I name partitions?
+
+{MB,NHW} I knew you would ask this. If I had to reduce this FAQ to only
+one question, I'd choose this one. It is pretty easy, but you have to
+know that there are actually several incompatibly naming convention.
+
+First, the Hurd: if the disk is question is a SCSI disk, you must know
+the SCSI device number; if it is an IDE disk, you must know what
+controller the disk is on and whether it is a master or a slave. The
+Hurd uses the BSD naming convention which, is to say, disks are ordered
+according to their physical location, numerically, starting from zero.
+This naming scheme is quite similar to that found in Linux. There, the
+master disk on the primary controller is designated as `hda' and the
+slave as `hdb'. On the secondary controller, the master and the slave
+are designated by `hdc' and `hdd' respectively. Under the Hurd, `hda'
+would become `hd0', `hdb' would be referred to as `hd1', etc.
+
+In the Hurd, like in BSD, partitions are called `slices' and are
+numbered starting from one. Thus, to name a particular partition, we
+take the disk name, append a `s' and the partition number. Again, this
+is similar to Linux except, there is no `s'. For instance, `hda1' would
+become `hd0s1'.
+
+GRUB, the boot loader, uses a completely different nomenclature: it
+probes the BIOS and appends each disk in turn to an array. Both disks
+and partitions are enumerated using zero based arrays. The format is:
+`hd (<disk>, <partition>)'. Thus, `hd (0, 1)' refers to the second
+partition on the first drive detected by the BIOS. As Grub now has tab
+completion, there is not a lot of guess work.
+
+?? Can I use partitions larger than 2GB?
+
+{MB} No, not currently. The filesystem servers need to be changed to
+not map the whole store into memory, which is not too difficult. For
+large files, some interfaces need to be changed, which is a bit harder
+but still doable.
+
+?? How much swap do I need?
+
+{NHW} Generally, a lot; once you run out, Mach panics. I have at least
+128MB of ram and 256MB of swap on all of machines running GNU/Hurd.
+
+?? Can I share swap space between GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd?
+
+{NHW} Yes. The default pager recognises and respects Linux swap
+partitions. It will also swap to a raw partition, i.e. anything that it
+does not recognize as Linux swap. Therefore: BE CAREFUL.
+
+?? Why do I get ``Operation not permitted error''?
+
+{MB} You forgot to set the file system owner of the GNU/Hurd partition to
+``hurd''. The Hurd uses additional information in the inodes to set
+translators. To make this work, the partition must be marked as ``owned
+by the Hurd''. This is normally done by passing the `-o hurd' option to
+`mke2fs' when creating ext2 system from other operating systems
+(filesystems created in GNU/Hurd automatically enable this option).
+If you failed to do this, you can still use the `e2os' script.
+
+?? After `native-install' is finished, I had to write tthhiiss
+ wwaayy. In particular, I had to type `rreebboooott' to reboot.
+
+{MB} Funny, isn't it? In addition to the rescue `term' server in
+`/tmp/console', another `term' server got started and is clobbing the
+keyboard input. After a reboot this problem vanishes as only one `term'
+server will remain. If `tar' would support translator, we would not
+have this problem... Even if you don't experience this problem right
+after the installation, reboot immediately so you don't hit this bug by
+accident.
+
+? Setup
+
+?? How do I add a swap partition?
+
+{MB} A swap partition is also called a paging file. Usually, it is
+sufficient to add the swap partition to `/etc/fstab', just as you would
+under Linux. You can swap to a Linux swap partition and the Hurd will
+honour the Linux swap signature (both versions). The Hurd will just as
+happily swap to any other raw disk space and overwrite anything it
+finds. So, be careful!
+
+If you want to swap to a file or make sure that it checks the Linux swap
+signature before, you need to edit `/boot/servers.boot'. The syntax is
+the partition device file name plus, optionally, the swap file inside an
+ext2fs partition, followed by a space and then one of:
+`$(add-raw-paging-file)', `$(add-linux-paging-file)',
+`$(add-paging-file)'. The first works with any partition or file and
+does not honour any swap signature or other data. The second has a
+safety check and only uses the file if a Linux swap signature is found.
+The third looks for a swap signature first and falls back to raw paging
+if it failed to find one. This is also the default for entries in
+`/etc/fstab'.
+
+?? How do I set up a network?
+ How do I set up a loopback device?
+
+{MB} In the former case, be sure that GNU Mach detected your network
+card. Either way, you need to setup `pfinet'. Documentation can be
+found at:
+
+ http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-doc-server#pfinet
+
+Don't forget to fill in `/etc/resolv.conf', `/etc/hosts', etc.
+
+Of course, you only need to do this if the installation routine didn't
+do it for you.
+
+?? Can I use the GNU/Linux version of `e2fsck' on a GNU/Hurd partition?
+
+{MB} Yes, at least since `e2fsprogs-1.05'. Check this with `e2fsck -V'
+first.
+
+{NHW} Do not try to defrag your partition as this utility does not know
+about translators.
+
+?? Why are pipes not working?
+
+{MB} `settrans -fgc /servers/socket/1 /hurd/pflocal' should help.
+
+? Usage
+
+?? Where is the documentation?
+
+{NHW,MM} There are neither man pages nor info nodes for the Hurd
+translators and commands. Documentation lives inside of the binaries
+and can be found by passing the `--help' option to a given command.
+For instance:
+
+ # /hurd/ext2fs --help
+
+will tell you what types of options the ext2fs translator accepts.
+
+The GNU/Hurd User's Guide and the GNU Hurd Reference Manual both
+provide some help about the usage of and concepts behind the GNU Hurd.
+You can find them, among others, at:
+
+ http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/docs.html
+
+?? What is a translator?
+
+{MB} There is a text about translators available at:
+
+ http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-doc-translator
+
+Read this and ask further questions on the mailing lists.
+
+?? What is the login shell?
+
+{MB} The Hurd has the concept of a not-logged in user. This user has
+neither user ids nor groups ids. This stems from the fact that the Hurd
+supports uid and gid sets and one possibility is, of course, the empty
+set. Rather than deny access in this case, filesystems in the Hurd offer a
+fourth permission triplet (i.e. rwx) which is used to determine the
+privileges for users with no credentials. This, however, needs to be
+enabled on a file by file basis. By default, the `other' permission
+triplet is used.
+
+The Hurd login shell is a shell running with neither uids nor gids. To
+restrict access to your files, either enable and change the fourth
+permission triplet or change the login shell of the `login' user in the
+password file to `/bin/loginpr' which implements the standard login
+prompt.
+
+?? How do I use non-US keyboard bindings?
+
+{NHW,FH} Take a look at:
+
+ http://www.xs4all.nl/~mgerards/xkb8.tar.gz
+
+If you want a Debian package, you can add to your
+'etc/apt/sources.list'
+
+ deb http://debian.duckcorp.org/unstable/binary-hurd-i386/ ./
+
+and then run
+
+ apt-get install console-driver-xkb.
+
+?? How do I enable color on the console?
+
+{NHW} If you are using the GNU Mach microkernel, you can set your
+terminal to `mach-color'. For instance:
+
+ # export TERM=mach-color
+
+?? How can I enable virtual consoles?
+
+{AMS} This can be done by running the following command:
+
+ console -d vga -d pc_kbd -d generic_speaker /dev/vcs
+
+If something went wrong, or if you just wish to exit the Hurd console
+then hitting C-A-<backspace> will exit it.
+
+?? What is the status of X?
+
+{MB} It works! The packages are available at any Debian ftp mirror.
+XFree86 4.0.2 is available, as are some of the v3 servers. Instructions
+on how to use the packages are in the mailing list archive (link follow
+later).
+
+?? Why does X not work?
+
+{MB} Try `export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib'. This is a linker
+issue. GNU/Hurd expects that `RPATH' is used, however, Debian takes
+certain measures to avoid this. Note that this does not cut it for suid
+binaries because of security implications. We expect to rectify this
+by using `RUNPATH', which is specified in the new ELF standard.
+
+?? What are these strange pids `2' and `3'?
+
+{MB} Two is the kernel, three is the default pager and four is the root
+filesystem.
+
+?? Why does `ps aux' give me strange output?
+
+{MB,MM} Try `ps Aux'. Indeed, under GNU/Hurd, `ps aux' doesn't list
+all processes: it omits the session and group leaders, and the
+processes without parent.
+
+?? I have a hung process that I want to kill, however, `ps' is now
+ hanging too.
+
+{MB} Interrupt it and pass it the `-M' option.
+
+{NHW} By default, `ps' gathers information from both the proc server and
+the processes themselves (via their message port). If a process it
+hung, it will not be able respond to its message port and thus, ps will
+wait forever. The `-M' option instructs ps to not gather information
+that would require use of the message port.
+
+?? Where are ...
+
+{MB} `fdisk' and `dmesg' are not yet ported.
+
+Instead of `free', use `vmstat' and `vminfo'.
+
+For kernel messages, read `/dev/klog' directly. Note, once you read
+this, it is gone forever.
+
+
+?? Is there a `/proc' filesystem?
+
+{MB} No. Maybe there will be an emulation filesystem someday for
+programs that rely it. If you are wondering about the empty `/proc'
+directory, this is a relict from a Debian GNU/Linux package
+(specifically, `base-files').
+
+You can probe for existing hardware devices with the devprobe utility.
+
+?? Why does the command `df' not work?
+
+{NHW} It does, you just have to tell it what filesystem to query. E.g.
+
+ # df /
+
+?? Why are my translators dying?
+
+{NHW} Try passing the `-ap' flag to settrans. By default, settrans only
+sets a passive translator, therefore, no output will show up on your
+terminal. Using `-ap', however, sets both the active and the passive
+translator which, means that the translator starts immediately and its
+stderr is connected to you terminal.
+
+Additionally, the biggest problem is passing relative paths to passive
+translators. You cannot predict what the current working directory of a
+translator will be when it is setup as a passive translator.
+
+?? Why can I `read' a directory?
+
+{MB} It is important to understand that there is nothing special about a
+directory under the Hurd, it is just another file. This fits in with
+the translator concept where a translator can appear as a directory but
+provide also as a file.
+
+? Trouble shooting
+
+?? When the APM support in the BIOS spins down my disk drives, the
+ Hurd is unable to wake up. What's wrong?
+
+{MB} APM is not supported in the current version of GNU Mach, sorry.
+Please disable APM in your BIOS setup.
+
+?? What are these messages referring to `default pager', `paging',
+ and `pager request'?
+
+{MB} The default pager handles virtual memory allocation. If it can't
+allocate a new memory page because you are out of memory, some terrible
+things may happen. Whenever you get errors referring to any of these,
+you either need more memory (make sure you have swap) or you have found
+a memory leak.
+
+?? What is a gratuitous error?
+
+{MB} This comes from `strerror(EGRATUITOUS)'. If you check glibc's
+documentation, it will say that this error code has no purpose. This,
+however, is not quite true. You only get this when something terrible
+happens. Thomas explains:
+
+ More precisely `EGRATUITOUS' officially means that some server
+ has responded in an impossible or protocol-violating fashion.
+ There are some cases in the Hurd where `EGRATUITOUS' is returned
+ and probably something else should be chosen instead.
+
+If you can reproduce this error message, please report it.
+
+?? What does ``computer bought the farm'' mean ?
+
+{FH} This message is the text that corresponds to the errno code
+`EIEIO'. Roland McGrath explains:
+
+ That message is not output by any particular servers at
+ particular times; rather it is the perror text for the errno
+ code EIEIO, which is returned by various RPCs and functions
+ for a variety of "hopeless" error conditions.
+
+
+?? What does ``/dev/hd0s1: MOUNTED READ-ONLY; MUST USE `fsysopts
+ --writable''' mean?
+
+{NHW} In this case, /dev/hd0s1 was not unmounted cleanly. The Hurd
+will, on boot up, run ``fsck -p'' on any partitions that it finds in
+/etc/fstab, so, you may want to consider adding this partition to that
+file. If you are sure that the partition is fine, you can run:
+
+ # fsysopts /home --writable
+
+to ask the translator sitting on /home to change from read-only to
+read/write mode. Note that the command is being sent to the filesystem
+and not the store (e.g. /dev/hd0s1).
+
+?? When GNU/Hurd crashes, GNU Mach automatically reboots. Is
+ there anyway I can make it pause so I can write down the error?
+
+{MB} Pass the `-H' option to init (add it to the boot command line), and
+`init' will tell Mach to enter the kernel debugger instead to rebooting
+it. At the debugger prompt (`db>'), you can type `reboot' any time to
+reboot the system.
+
+? Porting
+
+?? What programs have been ported?
+
+{NHW} A lot, take a look at the Debian archive. Many programs, however,
+do not necessarily need to be ported; they have just never been
+compiled.
+
+?? Is porting easy?
+
+{NHW} Porting applications to GNU/Hurd is relatively easy assuming the
+application is POSIX compliant as GNU/Hurd does its best to be a
+conforming operating system.
+
+The most common error made by programmers is assuming the MAXPATHLEN and
+PATH_MAX are defined. On most operating systems this is set to a few
+thousand, however, on GNU/Hurd, there is no maximum and thus, this is
+not set. The correct thing to do is to submit a patch to the upstream
+author that allocates memory dynamically.
+
+?? How can I help?
+
+{NHW} A effort to compile all of the Debian packages is underway by Jeff
+Bailey. Take a look at:
+
+ http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/oasis/group/Debian/index.html
+
+to see what has been done and how you can help.
+
+? Compiling
+
+?? Where can I get the source?
+
+{AMS} Instructions on how to download the CVS tree from Savanah are
+avaiable at https://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=hurd
+
+{NHW} To get the source to the latest debian package, look on any
+debian mirror.
+
+?? Can I cross compile?
+
+{NHW} Yes. If you are running Debian GNU/Linux on IA32, this is quite
+easy as there is a cheap cross compiler available; all that is required
+is installing the gcc-i386-gnu and mig-i386-gnu Debian packages. When
+running configure, you will have to specify tools directly:
+
+ # MIG=/usr/bin/i386-gnu-mig CC=/usr/bin/i386-gnu-gcc \
+ ../src/hurd/configure ...
+
+If you are running another distribution, you will have to do this the
+long way. You can find instructions at the Cross Compiling HOW-TO
+available at:
+
+ http://hurddocs.sourceforge.net/howto/cross.html
+
+Farid Hajji <farid.hajji@ob.kamp.net> also talks about his experiences
+at:
+
+ http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd-0012/msg00062.html
+
+?? Any general tips?
+
+{NHW} Yeah, building in the source tree is untested. Try:
+
+ # ../src/hurd/configure ...
+
+? Development
+
+?? What is OSKit-Mach?
+
+{NHW,FH} There are two versions of GNU Mac that are in use: GNU Mach
+1.x and GNU Mach 2.x, formerly known as OSKit-Mach. The former uses
+the drivers from Linux 2.0.x while the latter uses the University of
+Utah's OSKit library for drivers. You can find out more about the
+OSKit library at:
+
+ http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/oskit
+
+GNU Mach 2.x is usable, but some things are still missing or not
+working, like the serial port and scsi drivers. This is why GNU Mach
+2.0 hasn't released yet and the two versions coexist.
+
+?? Where is the documentation?
+
+{NHW} There were several books written on the Mach kernel. The
+information that they contain is still mostly pertinent and should be
+considered required reading for potential hackers. They can be found
+at:
+
+ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/mach/public/www/doc/publications.html
+
+The documentation for the Hurd is quite inadequate. The starting of a
+book, ``The GNU Hurd'' is in the doc directory in the Hurd source. You
+can read this using:
+
+ # info hurd
+
+The authoritative place is, of course, the source code; that does not,
+however, mean that we would not welcome more documentation. To get
+started, take a look at <hurd>/doc/navigating.
+
+?? How do I make sure that my code is POSIX compliant?
+
+{NHW} Unfortunately, you have to buy the POSIX standard from IEEE. The
+Single Unix Specification version 2, a superset of POSIX, is available
+for free on the Internet. Try:
+
+ http://www.unix-systems.org/online.html
+
+?? Who do I submit patches to?
+
+{NHW} If they are against the Hurd, Mach or MiG, send a patch to the
+bug-hurd mailing list.
+
+If they are against other packages, the Debian BTS is a good place. In
+this case, be sure to advise the debian-hurd mailing list of the bug.
+
+?? In what format should patches for the Hurd and GNU Mach be?
+
+{MB} All patches should be sent in unified context diff format (option
+`-u' to GNU diff). It is helpful for us if you also use the `-p'
+option which includes information about the function changed by a
+patch. Changes that are similar can be grouped together in one file,
+but unrelated changes should be sent in seperate files. The patches
+can be included in the message or as a MIME attachement. They should
+not be compressed and/or archived unless they are very large, and if
+they are very large it is probably better to store them on-line at
+some place and only sent an URL.
+
+Write a ChangeLog entry for each change, following the format of the
+existing files. Here is an example:
+
+ 2000-12-02 Marcus Brinkmann <marcus@gnu.org>
+
+ * ops.c (op_readlink): Before returning, check if the buffer
+ pointed to by transp is ours. If not, munmap it.
+ (op_read): Likewise for bp.
+ (op_readdir): Don't alloca a buffer here. Instead initialize
+ BUF and BUFSIZE to 0 and let the server (eh, MiG) do it.
+ munmap BUF before returning.
+
+The file name and the name of the function changed should always be
+spelled out completely, and not abbreviated or otherwise mangled (like
+foo.{c,h}), because that would make searching for all changes to a
+file or function impossible. Local variable names are all
+capitalized. There are two spaces between sentences. You can use
+``C-x 4 a'' in Emacs to add a new ChangeLog entry. If you do that
+with the mark being in a function, Emacs will automatically fill in
+the file and function name for you.
+
+Do not send in a patch for the ChangeLog file. Rather include the
+ChangeLog entries in the message that contains the patch. Patches for
+ChangeLog files often conflict.
+
+If you have the original source tree in the directory `hurd-orig', and
+the modified source tree in the directory `hurd', the following
+command will produce a good patch (please make sure there are no extra
+files like backups in the modified tree, or leave away the option
+`-N'). You will need to collect the ChangeLog entries seperately.
+
+ # diff -x ChangeLog -Nurp hurd-orig hurd
+
+
+Answers were given by (in chronological order):
+* {NHW} Neal H Walfield <neal@cs.uml.edu>
+* {MB} Marcus Brinkmann <Marcus.Brinkmann@ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
+* {AMS} Alfred M. Szmidt <ams@gnu.org>
+* {OK} Ognyan Kulev <ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>
+* {FH} Frédéric Henry <neryel@reveries.info>
+* {MM} Manuel Menal <mmenal@hurdfr.org>
+
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