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-Performance issues due to the microkernel/multi-server system architecture?
-
-IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-07-26
-
- < CTKArcher> I read that, because of its microkernel+servers design, the
- hurd was slower than a monolithic kernel, is that confirmed ?
- < youpi> the hurd is currently slower than current monolithic kernels, but
- it's not due to the microkernel + servers design
- < youpi> the microkernel+servers design makes the system call path longer
- < youpi> but you're bound by disk and network speed
- < youpi> so the extra overhead will not hurt so much
- < youpi> except dumb applications keeping doing system calls all the time
- of course, but they are usually considered bogus
- < braunr> there may be some patterns (like applications using pipes
- extensively, e.g. git-svn) which may suffer from the design, but still in
- an acceptable range
- < CTKArcher> so, you are saying that disk and network are more slowing the
- system than the longer system call path and because of that, it wont
- really matter ?
- < youpi> braunr: they should sitll be fixed because they'll suffer (even if
- less) on monolithic kernels
- < youpi> CTKArcher: yes
- < braunr> yes
- < CTKArcher> mmh
- < youpi> CTKArcher: you might want to listen to AST's talk at fosdem 10
- iirc, about minix
- < youpi> they even go as far as using an IPC for each low-level in/out
- < youpi> for security
- < braunr> this has been expected for a long time
- < braunr> which is what motivated research in microkernels
- < CTKArcher> I've already downloaded the video :)
- < youpi> and it has been more and more true with faster and faster cpus
- < braunr> but in 95, processors weren't that fast compared to other
- components as they are now
- < youpi> while disk/mem haven't evovled so fast