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@@ -67,7 +68,7 @@ IRC, #hurd, around October 2010
owner, but always with root group
-# `/proc/$pid/stat` being 400 and not 444, and some more
+# `/proc/[PID]/stat` being 400 and not 444, and some more
IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-03-27
@@ -186,7 +187,7 @@ IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-07-22
server anyway, I think.
-# `/proc/mounts`, `/proc/$pid/mounts`
+# `/proc/mounts`, `/proc/[PID]/mounts`
IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-07-25
@@ -218,3 +219,110 @@ Needed by glibc's `pldd` tool (commit
# `/proc/self/exe`
[[!message-id "alpine.LFD.2.02.1110111111260.2016@akari"]]
+
+
+# `/proc/[PID]/fd/`
+
+## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-04-24
+
+ <antrik> braunr: /proc/*/fd can be implemented in several ways. none of
+ them would require undue centralisation
+ <antrik> braunr: the easiest would be adding one more type of magic lookup
+ to the existing magic lookup mechanism
+ <antrik> wait, I mean /proc/self... for /proc/*/fd it's even more
+ straighforward -- we might even have a magic lookup for that already
+ <pinotree> i guess the ideal thing would be implement that fd logic in
+ libps
+ <antrik> pinotree: nope. it doesn't need to ask proc (or any other server)
+ at all. it's local information. that's what we have the magic lookups for
+ <antrik> one option we were considering at some point would be using the
+ object migration mechanism, so the actual handling would still happen
+ client-side, but the server could supply the code doing it. this would
+ allow servers to add arbitrary magic lookup methods without any global
+ modifications... but has other downsides :-)
+ <gnu_srs> youpi: How much info for /proc/*/fd is possible to get from
+ libps? Re: d-h@
+ <youpi> see my mail
+ <youpi> I don't think there is an interface for that
+ <youpi> processes handle fds themselves
+ <youpi> so libps would have to peek in there
+ <youpi> and I don't remember having seen any code like that
+ <gnu_srs> 10:17:17< antrik> wait, I mean /proc/self... for /proc/*/fd it's
+ even more straighforward -- we might even have a magic lookup for that
+ already
+ <gnu_srs> pinotree: For me that does not ring a bell on RPCs. Don't know
+ what magic means,,
+ <youpi> for /proc/self/fd we have a magic lookup
+ <youpi> for /proc/pid/fd, I don't think we have
+ <gnu_srs> magic lookup*
+ <gnu_srs> magic lookup == RPC?
+ <youpi> magic lookup is a kind of answer to the lookup RPC
+ <youpi> that basically says "it's somewhere else, see there"
+ <youpi> the magic FD lookup tells the process "it's your FD number x"
+ <youpi> which works for /proc/self/fd, but not /proc/pid/fd
+ <civodul> youpi, gnu_srs: regarding FDs, there the msg_get_fd RPC that
+ could be used
+ <civodul> `msgport' should have --get-fd, actually
+ <youpi> civodul: I assumed that the reason why msgport doesn't have it is
+ that it didn't exist
+ <youpi> so we can get a port on the fd
+ <youpi> but then how to know what it is?
+ <civodul> youpi: ah, you mean for the /proc/X/fd symlinks?
+ <civodul> good question
+ <civodul> it's not designed to be mapped back to names, indeed :-)
+ <antrik> youpi: yeah, I realized myself that only /proc/self/fd is trivial
+ <antrik> BTW, in Linux it's nor real symlinks. it's magic, with some very
+ strange (but useful in certain situations) semantics
+ <antrik> not real symlinks
+ <antrik> it's very weird for example for fd connected to files that have
+ been unlinked. it looks like a broken symlink, but when dereferencing
+ (e.g. with cp), you get the actual file contents...
+
+
+# `/proc/[PID]/maps`
+
+## IRC, OFTC, #debian-hurd, 2012-06-20
+
+ <pinotree> bdefreese: the two elfutils tests fail because there are no
+ /proc/$pid/maps files
+ <pinotree> that code is quite relying on linux features, like locating the
+ linux kernel executables and their modules, etc
+ <pinotree> (see eg libdwfl/linux-kernel-modules.c)
+ <pinotree> refactor elfutils to have the linux parts executed only on linux
+ :D
+ <bdefreese> Oh yeah, the maintainer already seems really thrilled about
+ Hurd.. Did you see
+ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662041 ?
+ <pinotree> kurt is generally helpful with us (= hurd)
+ <pinotree> most probably there he is complaining that we let elfutils build
+ with nocheck (ie skipping the test suite run) instead of investigate and
+ report why the test suite failed
+
+
+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-06-19
+
+ <pinotree> jkoenig: procfs question: in process.c, process_lookup_pid, why
+ is the entries[2].hook line repeated twice?
+ <jkoenig> pinotree, let me check
+ <jkoenig> pinotree, it's probably just a mistake, there's no way the second
+ one has any effect
+ <pinotree> jkoenig: i see, it looked like you c&p'd that code accidentally
+ <jkoenig> pinotree, it's probably what happened, yes.
+
+
+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-06-30
+
+ <pinotree> btw, what do you think about making jkoening's procfs master the
+ real master?
+ <youpi> probably a good idea
+ <youpi> it does work quite well, except a few pidof hangs
+ <pinotree> surely better than the old one :)
+ <youpi> yes :)
+
+
+# `/proc/[PID]/cwd`
+
+## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-06-30
+
+ * pinotree has a local work to add the /proc/$pid/cwd symlink, but relying
+ on "internal" (but exported) glibc functions