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## <a name="Mailing_Lists"> Mailing Lists </a>
-* [debian-hurd](http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe) and web [archives](http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/) - general system discussion, packaging, integration
-
+* [hurd-devel-readers](http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/hurd-devel-readers) and hurd-devel web [archives](http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/hurd-devel/) - serious technical debugging and discussion
+ * The main technical list is hurd-devel. It has archives but the subscriptions are restricted. You are welcome to subscribe to hurd-devel-readers however to avoid duplication the archives for this list are turned off.
* [help-hurd](http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd) and web [archives](http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/help-hurd/)
* [bug-hurd](http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-hurd) and web [archives](http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/bug-hurd/) - technical debugging and discussion
+* hurd-private - it's private, no archives are available.
+
+* [debian-hurd](http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe) and web [archives](http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/) - general system discussion, packaging, integration
+
* [thug](http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/thug) and web [archives](http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/thug/) - Toronto-area Hurd Users Group and discussion
-* [hurd-devel-readers](http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/hurd-devel-readers) and hurd-devel web [archives](http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/hurd-devel/) - serious technical debugging and discussion
- * The main list is hurd-devel. It has the archives but the subscriptions are restricted. You are welcome to subscribe to hurd-devel-readers however to avoid duplication the archives for this list are turned off.
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* [web-hurd](http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/web-hurd) and web [archives](http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/web-hurd/) - discussion of web pages at <http://hurd.gnu.org>
* [l4-hurd](http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/l4-hurd) and web [archives](http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/l4-hurd/) - theoretical kernel development