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diff --git a/open_issues/anatomy_of_a_hurd_system.mdwn b/open_issues/anatomy_of_a_hurd_system.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..e1d5c9d8 --- /dev/null +++ b/open_issues/anatomy_of_a_hurd_system.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@ +[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]] + +[[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable +id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this +document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or +any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant +Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license +is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation +License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] + +[[!taglink open_issue_documentation]] + +A bunch of this should also be covered in other (introductionary) material, +like Bushnell's Hurd paper. All this should be unfied and streamlined. + +IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-03-08 + + <foocraft> I've a question on what are the "units" in the hurd project, if + you were to divide them into units if they aren't, and what are the + dependency relations between those units(roughly, nothing too pedantic + for now) + <antrik> there is GNU Mach (the microkernel); there are the server + libraries in the Hurd package; there are the actual servers in the same; + and there is the POSIX implementation layer in glibc + <antrik> relations are a bit tricky + <antrik> Mach is the base layer which implements IPC and memory management + <foocraft> hmm I'll probably allocate time for dependency graph generation, + in the worst case + <antrik> on top of this, the Hurd servers, using the server libraries, + implement various aspects of the system functionality + <antrik> client programs use libc calls to use the servers + <antrik> (servers also use libc to communicate with other servers and/or + Mach though) + <foocraft> so every server depends solely on mach, and no other server? + <foocraft> s/mach/mach and/or libc/ + <antrik> I think these things should be pretty clear one you are somewhat + familiar with the Hurd architecture... nothing really tricky there + <antrik> no + <antrik> servers often depend on other servers for certain functionality + +--- + +IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-03-12 + + <dEhiN> when mach first starts up, does it have some basic i/o or fs + functionality built into it to start up the initial hurd translators? + <antrik> I/O is presently completely in Mach + <antrik> filesystems are in userspace + <antrik> the root filesystem and exec server are loaded by grub + <dEhiN> o I see + <dEhiN> so in order to start hurd, you would have to start mach and + simultaneously start the root filesystem and exec server? + <antrik> not exactly + <antrik> GRUB loads all three, and then starts Mach. Mach in turn starts + the servers according to the multiboot information passed from GRUB + <dEhiN> ok, so does GRUB load them into ram? + <dEhiN> I'm trying to figure out in my mind how hurd is initially started + up from a low-level pov + <antrik> yes, as I said, GRUB loads them + <dEhiN> ok, thanks antrik...I'm new to the idea of microkernels, but a + veteran of monolithic kernels + <dEhiN> although I just learned that windows nt is a hybrid kernel which I + never knew! + <rm> note there's a /hurd/ext2fs.static + <rm> I belive that's what is used initially... right? + <antrik> yes + <antrik> loading the shared libraries in addition to the actual server + would be unweildy + <antrik> so the root FS server is linked statically instead + <dEhiN> what does the root FS server do? + <antrik> well, it serves the root FS ;-) + <antrik> it also does some bootstrapping work during startup, to bring the + rest of the system up diff --git a/open_issues/ext2fs_page_cache_swapping_leak.mdwn b/open_issues/ext2fs_page_cache_swapping_leak.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..0ace5cd3 --- /dev/null +++ b/open_issues/ext2fs_page_cache_swapping_leak.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]] + +[[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable +id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this +document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or +any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant +Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license +is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation +License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] + +[[!tag open_issue_hurd]] + +IRC, OFTC, #debian-hurd, 2011-03-24 + + <youpi> I still believe we have an ext2fs page cache swapping leak, however + <youpi> as the 1.8GiB swap was full, yet the ld process was only 1.5GiB big + <pinotree> a leak at swapping time, you mean? + <youpi> I mean the ext2fs page cache being swapped out instead of simply + dropped + <pinotree> ah + <pinotree> so the swap tends to accumulate unuseful stuff, i see + <youpi> yes + <youpi> the disk content, basicallyt :) diff --git a/open_issues/pfinet_vs_system_time_changes.mdwn b/open_issues/pfinet_vs_system_time_changes.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..a9e1e242 --- /dev/null +++ b/open_issues/pfinet_vs_system_time_changes.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,42 @@ +[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2010, 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]] + +[[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable +id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this +document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or +any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant +Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license +is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation +License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] + +[[!tag open_issue_hurd]] + +IRC, unknown channel, unknown date. + + <grey_gandalf> I did a sudo date... + <grey_gandalf> and the machine hangs + +This was very likely as misdiagnosis: + +IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-03-25 + + <tschwinge> antrik: I suspect it'S some timing stuff in pfinet that perhaps + uses absolute time, and somehow wildely gets confused? + <antrik> tschwinge: BTW, pfinet doesn't actually die I think -- it just + drops open connections... + <antrik> perhaps it thinks they timed out + <tschwinge> antrik: Isn't the translator restarted instead? + <antrik> don't think so + <antrik> when pfinet actually dies, I also loose the NFS mounts, which + doesn't happen in this case + <antrik> hehe "... and the machine hangs" + <antrik> he didn't bother to check that the machine is perfectly fine, only + the SSH connection got dropped + <tschwinge> Ah, I see. So it'S perhaps indeed simply closes TCP + connections that have been without data for ``too long''? + <antrik> yeah, that's my guess + <antrik> my clock is speeding, so ntpdate sets it in the past + <antrik> perhaps there is some math that concludes the connection have been + inactive for -200 seconds, which (unsigned) is more than any timeout :-) + <tschwinge> (The other way round, you might likely get some integer + wrap-around, and thus the same result.) + <tschwinge> Yes. diff --git a/open_issues/rpc_to_self_with_rendez-vous_leading_to_duplicate_port_destroy.mdwn b/open_issues/rpc_to_self_with_rendez-vous_leading_to_duplicate_port_destroy.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..9db92250 --- /dev/null +++ b/open_issues/rpc_to_self_with_rendez-vous_leading_to_duplicate_port_destroy.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,163 @@ +[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]] + +[[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable +id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this +document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or +any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant +Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license +is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation +License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] + +[[!tag open_issue_hurd]] + +[RPC to self with rendez-vous leading to duplicate port +destroy](http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/2011-03/msg00045.html) + +IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-03-14 + + <antrik> youpi: I wonder, why does the root FS call diskfs_S_dir_lookup() + at all?... + <youpi> errr, because a client asked for it? + <youpi> (problem with RPCs is you can't easily know where they come from :) + ) + <youpi> (especially when it's the root fs...) + <antrik> ah, it's about a client request... didn't see that + <youpi> well, I just said "is called", yes + <antrik> I do not really understand though why it tries to reauthenticate + against itself... + <antrik> I fear my memory of the lookup mechanism grew a bit dim + <youpi> see the source + <youpi> it's about a translated entry + <antrik> (and I never fully understood some aspects anyways...) + <youpi> it needs to start the translated entry as another user, possibly + <antrik> yes, but a translated entry normally would be served by *another* + process?... + <youpi> sure, but ext2fs has to prepare it + <youpi> thus reauthenticate to prepare the correct set of rights + <antrik> prepare what? + <youpi> rights + <youpi> so the process is not root, doesn't have / opened as root, etc. + <antrik> rights for what? + <youpi> err, about everything + <antrik> IIRC the reauthentication is done by the parent FS on the port to + the *translated* node + <antrik> and the translated node should be a different process?... + <youpi> that's not what I read in the source + <youpi> fshelp_fetch_root + <youpi> ports[INIT_PORT_CRDIR] = reauth (getcrdir ()); + <youpi> here, getcrdir() returns ext2fs itself + <antrik> well, perhaps the issue is that I have no idea what + fshelp_fetch_root() does, nor why it is called here... + <youpi> it notably starts the translator that dir_lookup is looking at, if + needed + <youpi> possibly as a different user, thus reauthentication of CRDIR + <antrik> so this is about a port that is passed to the translator being + started? + <youpi> no + <youpi> well, depends on what you mean by "port" + <youpi> it's about reauthenticating a port to be passed to the translator + being started + <youpi> and for that a rendez-vous port is needed for the reauthentication + <youpi> and that's the one at stake + <antrik> yeah, I meant the port that is reauthenticated + <antrik> what is CRDIR? + <youpi> current root dir ... + <antrik> so the parent translator passes it's own root dir to the child + translator; and the issue is that for the root FS the root dir points to + the root FS itself... + <youpi> yes + <antrik> OK, that makes sense + <youpi> (but that's only one example, rgrep mach_port_destroy hurd/ show + other potential issues) + <antrik> well, that's actually what I wanted to mention next... why is the + rendez-vous port destroyed, instead of just deallocating the port right + and letting reference counting to it's thing?... + <antrik> do its thing + <youpi> "just to make sure" I guess + <antrik> it's pretty obvious that this will cause trouble for any RPC + referencing itself... + <youpi> well, follow-up with that on the list + <youpi> with roland/tb in CC + <youpi> only they would know any real reason for destroy + <youpi> btw, if you knew how we could make _hurd_select()'s raw __mach_msg + call be interruptible by signals, that'll permit to fix sudo + <youpi> (damn, I need sleep, my tenses are all wrong) + <antrik> BTW, does this cause any actual trouble?... + <antrik> I don't know much about interruption... cfhammer might have a + better idea, he look into that stuff quite a bit AIUI + <antrik> looked + <antrik> (hehe, it's not only your tenses... guess there's something in the + ether ;-) ) + <youpi> it makes sudo, mailq, etc. fail sometimes + <antrik> I mean the rendez-vous thing + <youpi> that's it, yes + <youpi> sudo etc. fail at least due to this + <antrik> so these are two different problems that both affect sudo? + <antrik> (rendez-vous and interruption I mean) + <youpi> yes + <youpi> with my patch the buildds have much fewer issues, but still some + <youpi> (my interrupt-related patch) + <youpi> I'm installing a s/destroy/deallocate/ version of ext2fs on the + buildds, we'll see how it behaves + <youpi> (it fixes my testcase at least) + <antrik> interrupt-related patch? + <antrik> only thing interrupt-related I remember was the reauthentication + race... + <youpi> that's what I mean + <antrik> well, cfhammer investigated this is quite some depth, explaining + quite well why the race is only mitigated but still exists... problem is + that we didn't know how to fix it properly + <antrik> because nobody seems to understand the cancellation code, except + perhaps for Roland and Thomas + <antrik> (and I'm not even entirely sure about them :-) ) + <antrik> I think his findings and our conclusions are documented on the + ML... + <youpi> by "much fewer issues", I mean that some of the symptoms have + disappeared, others haven't + <antrik> BTW, couldn't the rendez-vous thing be worked around by simply + ignoring the errors from the failing deallocate?... + <youpi> no, failing deallocate are actually dangerous + <antrik> why? + <youpi> since the name might have been reused for something else in the + meanwhile + <youpi> that's the whole point of the warning I had added in the kernel + itself + <antrik> I see + <youpi> such things really deserve tracking, since they can have any kind + of consequence + <antrik> does Mach try to reuse names quickly, rather than only after + wrapping around?... + <youpi> it seems to + <antrik> OK, then this is a serious problem indeed + <youpi> (note: I rarely divine issues when there aren't actual frequent + symptoms :) ) + <antrik> well, the problem with the warning is that it only shows in the + cases that do *not* cause a problem... so it's hard to associate them + with any specific issues + <youpi> well, most of the time the port is not reused quickly enough + <youpi> so in most case it shows up more often than causing problem + +IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-03-14 + + <youpi> ok, mach_port_deallocate actually can't be used + <youpi> since mach_reply_port() returns a receive right, not a send right + * youpi guesses he will really have to manage to understand all that port + stuff completely + <antrik> oh, right + <antrik> youpi: hm... now I'm confused though. if one client holds a + receive right, the other client (or in this case the same process) should + have a send or send-once right -- these should *not* share the same name + in my understanding + <antrik> destroying the receive right should turn the send right into a + dead name + <antrik> so unless I'm missing something, the destroy shouldn't be a + problem, and there must be something else going wrong + <antrik> hm... actually I'm probably wrong + <antrik> yeah, definitely wrong. receive rights and "ordinary" send rights + share the name. only send-once rights are special + <antrik> I wonder whether the problem could be worked around by using a + send-once right... + <antrik> mach_port_mod_refs(mach_task_self(), name, + MACH_PORT_RIGHT_RECEIVE, -1) can be used to deallocate only the receive + right + <antrik> oh, you already figured that out :-) diff --git a/open_issues/sudo_date_crash.mdwn b/open_issues/sudo_date_crash.mdwn deleted file mode 100644 index 53303abc..00000000 --- a/open_issues/sudo_date_crash.mdwn +++ /dev/null @@ -1,16 +0,0 @@ -[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]] - -[[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable -id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this -document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or -any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant -Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license -is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation -License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] - -[[!tag open_issue_gnumach]] - -IRC, unknown channel, unknown date. - - <grey_gandalf> I did a sudo date... - <grey_gandalf> and the machine hangs diff --git a/open_issues/unit_testing.mdwn b/open_issues/unit_testing.mdwn index a5ffe19d..feda3be4 100644 --- a/open_issues/unit_testing.mdwn +++ b/open_issues/unit_testing.mdwn @@ -320,3 +320,23 @@ freenode, #hurd channel, 2011-03-07: this, and just generally though that some sort of automated testing is needed, and thus started collecting ideas. <tschwinge> antrik: You're of course invited to fix that. + +IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-03-08 + +(After discussing the [[anatomy_of_a_hurd_system]].) + + <antrik> so that's what your question is actually about? + <foocraft> so what I would imagine is a set of only-this-server tests for + each server, and then we can have fun adding composite tests + <foocraft> thus making debugging the composite scenarios a bit less tricky + <antrik> indeed + <foocraft> and if you were trying to pass a composite test, it would also + help knowing that you still didn't break the server-only test + <antrik> there are so many different things that can be tested... the + summer will only suffice to dip into this really :-) + <foocraft> yeah, I'm designing my proposal to focus on 1) make/use a + testing framework that fits the Hurd case very well 2) write some tests + and docs on how to write good tests + <antrik> well, doesn't have to be *one* framework... unit testing and + regression testing are quite different things, which can be covered by + different frameworks |