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-# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-10-15
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-    <antrik> youpi: I'm not at all talking about ordinary tmpfs. I'm talking
-      about the proposed variant using a separate backing store
-    <antrik> youpi: and as you might remember, I once came up with a crazy
-      passive translator command line (based on another crazy passive
-      translator command line from tschwinge) that can automatically do the
-      mkfs
-    <antrik> so there is really very little benefit in using something else
-      than ext2fs when not paging to the swap partition
-    <antrik> real tmpfs IMHO is mostly useful precisely because it uses the
-      ordinary swap, and doesn't have an explicit size limit...
-    <youpi> well, it is still quite a waste to bounce data betwen page cache
-      and memory storage
-    <youpi> or is ext2fs able to map the store data directly?
-    <youpi> then there's only the medata bounce which is spurious
-    <youpi> and still, even a one-liner settrans doesn't fit with the "is just
-      an fs alternative for the existing tmpfs-mounting scripts"
-    <antrik> youpi: well, if the invocation is the major concern, it would be
-      trivial to write a tiny wrapper binary or script that acts like a
-      "normal" FS...
-    <youpi> antrik: could you write it then?
-    <antrik> you mean a shell script that uses ext2fs on a memory store to act
-      like a "proper" tmpfs?
-    <youpi> I mean whatever that permits to just run mount none /tmp -t tmpfs
-    <youpi> and just works already nowadays
-    <youpi> which we could e.g. ship instead of our currently-completely bugged
-      tmpfs
-    <antrik> I suspect the mount script just looks for /hurd/tmpfs in this
-      case? if so, that should indeed be pretty trivial. let's see if I can dig
-      up my crazy command line -- turning that into a "proper" script should be
-      quite easy I hope...
-    <antrik> hm... I digged up
-      http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/2007-04/msg00013.html ; but I
-      wonder how much of it is really necessary for a generic pseudo-tmpfs...
-    <antrik> the major complication seems to be the chmod, which I guess we
-      don't need for most use cases...
-    <youpi> I actually don't see why it's inlined there
-    <youpi> doesn't the caller do it if it needs it?
-    <youpi> ah, well, here there is no caller, it's just a passive entry
-    <antrik> is it a problem that this solution needs an extra node for the
-      store?
-    <youpi> yes
-    <youpi> because you need to say where it resides
-    <youpi> and there's no safe place
-    <youpi> since such safe place would typically be a mounted tmpfs
-    <antrik> I feared that much...
-    <antrik> I suspect we could work around this by not attaching the store to
-      any node; but this a) doesn't work in a shell script, and b) is much more
-      involved...
-    <antrik> hm... can we assume /dev/fd to be present? I have a vague crazy
-      idea...
-    <youpi> yes
-    <antrik> I consider hacking settrans so it grows an option which allows
-      passing the port to the translator as an FD, instead of attaching it to
-      any node... this way, we could work with anonymous translators in shell
-      scripts :-)
-    <antrik> (of course that's not less work than just doing the wrapper in
-      C... but it could be useful in other cases)