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# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-08-05
<nalaginrut> hi guys, I'm new here. I'm a developer from Guile community,
and I think maybe it's a proper time to do some work to make GNU stuff
use Guile increasingly, but I found the wiki and docs seems a bit old,
and I can't find an entry from Hurd source, since there're too many
things. Anyone point me out?
<nlightnfotis> nalaginrut what exactly is it that you need help with?
<nalaginrut> I've no idea, I saw MIG and I think if it's a language I can
write a front-end on Guile platform. But someone suggest me write hurd
binding will be a good start
<nalaginrut> I cloned incubator which is cl-binding for hurd, but I've no
idea too, since there's nothing in master branch
<pinotree> well, fixing guile on the hurd would be a start:
<braunr> i won't talk about this, as my personal opinion on the matter is
that it's not a proper time to do it
<braunr> but at the same time, people should do what they're interested in
<braunr> so feel free to do it
<nalaginrut> braunr: is there any reason why it's not a proper time?
<braunr> nalaginrut: two words: mig sucks
<nalaginrut> so it'll be replaced by a new stuff?
<teythoon> any more reasons to have alternatives, no?
<braunr> sure, please do it :)
<braunr> actually it's more than just mig
<braunr> the low level internals of the hurd are almost fine, but not good
enough to reliably develop over it
<braunr> gccgo is currently proving it
<braunr> and such projects are good opportunities to identify and fix such
<braunr> but the, if you want to work on guile, be prepared to work on a
lot more than just guile
<nalaginrut> I'm afraid I have to collect the reasons and evaluate when is
proper to do that, if Hurd has to be redesigned, it is not a proper time
<braunr> it also happened with openjdk, jeremie had to fix signals (!)
<nalaginrut> anyway, I just want a suggestion how to start
<pinotree> <pinotree> well, fixing guile on the hurd would be a start:
<nalaginrut> ok, I'll try
<antrik> nalaginrut: "incubator" is a somewhat strange beast. every branch
in there is a completely different project. you have to find the right
branch for the CL bindings...
<nalaginrut> antrik: thanks for reply, I guess it's clisp branch?
<antrik> nalaginrut: sounds like it :-)
<antrik> braunr: I'm believe it's important to encourage work on as many
different levels as possible. there is no motivation for fixing low-level
issues unless there are some interesting high-level things relying on
<braunr> antrik: i agree
<braunr> 11:50 < braunr> but at the same time, people should do what
they're interested in
<antrik> in fact, it's pretty much impossible to identify what we really
need at the lower levels unless working on high-level stuff as well...
<braunr> 11:57 < braunr> but the, if you want to work on guile, be prepared
to work on a lot more than just guile
<nalaginrut> I prepare to work on Hurd, is that an fair answer?
<antrik> nalaginrut: perfect! ;-)
<nalaginrut> ;-) well, easy to say, but I'll try what I can do
<antrik> yeah, just see how far you get. might be an interesting ride :-)