[[!meta copyright="Copyright © 2011, 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc."]] [[!meta license="""[[!toggle id="license" text="GFDL 1.2+"]][[!toggleable id="license" text="Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] [[!tag open_issue_gnumach open_issue_mig]] There is a `master-x86_64` GNU Mach branch. As of 2012-11-20, it only supports the [[microkernel/mach/gnumach/ports/Xen]] platform. # IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-10-16 it'd be really good to have a 64bit kernel, no need to care about addressing space :) yes a 64 bits kernel would be nice i guess it wouldn't be too hard to have a special mach kernel for 64 bits processors, but 32 bits userland only well, it means tinkering with mig like old sparc systems :p to build the 32bit interface, not the 64bit one ah yes hm i'm not sure mig would assume a 32 bits kernel, like now and you'll have all kinds of discrepancies in vm_size_t & such yes the 64 bits type should be completely internal types* but it would be far less work than changing all the userspace bits for 64 bit (ofc we'll do that some day but in the meanwhile ..) yes and it'd boost userland addrespace to 4GiB yes leaving time for a 64bit userland :) # IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-10-03 youpi: just so you know in case you try the master-x86_64 with grub youpi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689509 ok, thx the squeeze version is fine but i had to patch the wheezy/sid one I actually hadn't hoped to boot into 64bit directly from grub youpi: there is code in viengoos that could be reused i've been thinking about it for a time now ok the two easiest ways are 1/ the viengoos one (a -m32 object file converted with objcopy as an embedded loader) and 2/ establishing an identity mapping using 4x1 GB large pages and switching to long mode, then jumping to c code to complete the initialization i think i'll go the second way with x15, so you'll have the two :) # IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2012-12-12 In context of [[microkernel/mach/gnumach/memory_management]]. Or with a 64-bit one? ;-P tschwinge: i think we all had that idea in mind :) tschwinge: patches welcome :P tschwinge: sure, please help us settle down with the mig stuff what was blocking me was just deciding how to do it hum, what's blocking x86_64, except time to work on it ? deciding the mig types & such things i.e. the RPC ABI ok easy answer: keep it the same sorry, let me rephrase decide what ABI is supposed to be on a 64bit system, so as to know which way to rewrite the types of the kernel MIG part to support 64/32 conversion can't this be done in two steps ? well, it'd mean revamping the whole kernel twice as the types at stake are referenced in the whole RPC code the first step i imagine would simply imply having an x86_64 kernel for 32-bits userspace, without any type change (unless restricting to 32-bits when a type is automatically enlarged on 64-bits) it's not so simple the RPC code is tricky and there are alignments things that RPC code uses which become different when build with a 64bit compiler there are also things like int[N] for io_stat_struct and so on i see making the code wrong for 32 thus having to change the types pinotree: yes (doesn't mig support structs, or it is too clumsy to be used in practice?) pinotree: what's the problem with that (i explcitely said changing int to e.g. int32_t) that won't fly for some of the calls e.g. getting a thread state pinotree: no it doesn't support struct braunr: that some types in struct stat are long, for instance pinotree: same thing with longs youpi: why wouldn't it ? that wouldn't work on a 64bit system so we can't make it int32_t in the interface definition i understand the alignment issues and that the mig code adjusts the generated code, but not the content of what is transfered well of course i'm talking about the first step here which targets a 32-bits userspace only ok, so we agree the second step would have to revamp the whole RPC code again i imagine the first to be less costly well, actually no you're right, the mig stuff would be easy on the application side, but more complicated on the kernel side, since it would really mean dealing with 64-bits values there (unless we keep a 3/1 split instead of giving the full 4g to applications) See also [[microkernel/mach/gnumach/memory_management]]. (I don't see what that changes) if the kernel still runs with 32-bits addresses, everything it recevies from or sends through mig can be stored with the user side 32-bits types err, ok, but what's the point of the 64bit kernel then ? :) and it simply uses 64-bits addresses to deal with physical memory ok that could even be a 3.5/0.5 split then but the memory model forces us to run either at the low 2g or the highest ones but linux has 3/1, so we don't need that otherwise we need an mcmodel=medium we could do with mcmodel=medium though, for a time hm actually no, it would require mcmodel=large hum, that's stupid, we can make the kernel run at -2g, and use 3g up to the sign extension hole for the kernel map