From d93deae15ee91a9b04989777fda563f2ccd5410f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Thomas Schwinge Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:23:29 +0200 Subject: Shuffle another bunch of files, related to `Distrib/' and `GNU/'. --- hurd/running/gnu.mdwn | 64 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 64 insertions(+) create mode 100644 hurd/running/gnu.mdwn (limited to 'hurd/running/gnu.mdwn') diff --git a/hurd/running/gnu.mdwn b/hurd/running/gnu.mdwn new file mode 100644 index 00000000..6b94ed25 --- /dev/null +++ b/hurd/running/gnu.mdwn @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +[[img logo.png]] + +# The GNU Operating System + +[[gnu/GNU]]. + +It is our wish and goal to establish a new direction for the GNU system distribution. To that end, this page will begin setting some direction. This was spawned by several discussions over a few days on the Hurd mailing lists and IRC. + +This is not intended to detract from Debian GNU/Hurd and we should help them where we can. + +I really want this to be more of a community driven effort in the spirit of say Ubuntu. We all have different motivations and skill levels but we need a common goal to get this system going. + +These are just some quick notes I am making late at night. Lets clean this up. + +## Motivations + +1. There is a possibility that Debian drops support for GNU/Hurd. +2. Other GNU/Linux distributions do not support the Hurd infrastructure well. +3. Benefitting from the Hurd design and using a microkernel. +4. Freedom. + +## Community + +1. Lets establish some ground rules. +2. We need infrastructure + * Wiki for community documentation + * Mailing lists like gnu-system-discuss exists for mostly technical items + * IRC channels like #hug and ##hurd + * Perhaps less formal and less intimidating channels and mailing lists would involve broader parts of the community +3. We need a community vision and direction. + * Lets work together for a common goal + * Lets establish goals and priorities and get resources on them. (More later) + * Major goal to create a system making full use of Hurd features? + * We should never hesitate to throw away existing stuff whenever it hinders us to make good use of Hurd features + * However, we should try to reuse existing stuff (from Debian for example) as long as it doesn't limit our possibilities or impose considerable overhead + * Lets have fun. It's GNU and it's important but let's enjoy ourselves. + +## Tools + +1. Developer Needs + * RPC Trace +2. Installer + * Native installer would be preferred but we can bootstrap GNU/Linux for now if necessary +3. Package Management + * There is a proposal to use stowfs. Let's get this going and test it out. Can it be made to work? How long will it take? + * Repository for packages + * Probably we can host it on the GNU servers + * Bug / Issue tracking + * Probably we should set up a Savannah project + * How to handle experimental patches to the core packages (Hurd, Mach, libc etc.) that are not in official CVS yet? + +## Todo + +1. AMS had made a GNU release. We can try it and test it to good use. We can fix broken things in it, and enhance it. + * The snapshot is very old. Probably better to build something from current stuff, even if it means more work + * ams said that he would like to get a new snapshot out that would be on a Live CD and using stowfs. I think what we need to do is start using/fixing GNU System Creator (GSC) to build packages for this effort. +2. GNU is all about freedom AND ease of use. So, given installers are by nature quite complex, how should we install GNU on users's computers? I think ams's GSC comes into play here, maybe ams or sdschulze could (re-)write specifications of GSC. +3. Until we have an installer ready, we could go the Gentoo-like route, and have every part manually installed. A good installation documentation may help. Our next milestone may be just this (in case ams hasn't already done it): + * have a good installation document out, with all the required packages hosted at gnu.org or savannah.org + * get stowfs working +4. Maybe try to use hacked Debian packages until we get native ones? +5. Move on, start coding, documenting, packaging. + +I tried refactoring this page, but didn't get far. -- [[Main/AaronHawley]] - 18 Feb 2006 -- cgit v1.2.3