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A copy of the license is included in the section entitled [[GNU Free Documentation License|/fdl]]."]]"""]] -[[!meta title="Nix-based GNU/Hurd System"]] +[[!meta title="Nix-based GNU/Hurd System, Guix"]] + +[[!toc]] + + +# Nix <http://www.nixos.org/> @@ -25,7 +31,7 @@ Nix, and because of that, it uses per-package installation directories under `/nix/store`. -# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-02-04 +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-02-04 <braunr> is it possible to use nix ? <braunr> or nixos @@ -39,3 +45,458 @@ Nix, and because of that, it uses per-package installation directories under <civodul> (my favorite) <civodul> i've been willing to unbreak it, but now i rather invest time in Guix + + +# <a href="guix">Guix</a> + +## <http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/> + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-13 + + <phant0mas> is debian hurd the only way to use hurd? + <braunr> maybe + <braunr> there is arch hurd but i haven't heard from them in some time + <braunr> building from source is difficult + <phant0mas> what is the problem with building from source? + <braunr> no automated build system, except for debian + <braunr> each project has its own build system + <braunr> but there is no tool to take care of the global procedure + (i.e. build in the correct order, with the correct options, paths and + patches, etc...) + <youpi> well, there is, it's called Debian :) + <braunr> 00:17 < braunr> no automated build system, except for debian + <phant0mas> how far away is it from building a gnu system with let's say + guix as a package manager? + <phant0mas> and hurd as the kernel? + <braunr> i don't know + <youpi> phant0mas: there are already proofs of concepts + <phant0mas> youpi: any more info about the proofs of concepts? + <youpi> phant0mas: ask civodul + <youpi> apparently he's not here atm, though + <phant0mas> I will ask him at guix channel + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-14 + + <phant0mas> can I ask a question about configuring gnu mach from source? + <taylanub> phant0mas: IRC etiquette: don't ask to ask, just ask, it saves + time. People often leave IRC open for long durations but don't always + check it, if you just leave your question in the channel someone might + come back and see it at any time (even hours later). + <phant0mas> when I try to configure gnumach with + <phant0mas> CPP='gcc -m32 -E -x c -undef -ansi' CC='gcc -m32' LD='ld + -melf_i386' ./configure --prefix= --host=i686-unknown-linux-gnu + <phant0mas> on a 64 bit system + <phant0mas> I get the error + <phant0mas> checking for i686-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc... gcc -m32 + <phant0mas> checking whether the C compiler works... no + <phant0mas> configure: error: in `/home/manolis/Downloads/gnumach-1.4': + <phant0mas> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables + <phant0mas> but if I remove the -m32 from CC='gcc -m32' the error + disappears + <phant0mas> what is the problem? + <braunr> what do you think there is a problem ? + <braunr> i don't think -m32 should be part of CPP/CC, but rather CPPFLAGS + <braunr> also, i don't think you need it since the target is well defined + <phant0mas> I am following exaclty the instruction from here + http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/microkernel/mach/gnumach/building.html + <braunr> hm that's weird + <braunr> phant0mas: what does gcc -v says and what's your host system ? + <phant0mas> Using built-in specs. + <phant0mas> COLLECT_GCC=gcc + <phant0mas> + COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/lto-wrapper + <phant0mas> Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu + <phant0mas> Configured with: /build/gcc/src/gcc-4.8-20131219/configure + --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --libexecdir=/usr/lib + --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info + --with-bugurl=https://bugs.archlinux.org/ + --enable-languages=c,c++,ada,fortran,go,lto,objc,obj-c++ --enable-shared + --enable-threads=posix --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit + --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-clocale=gnu + --disable-libstdcxx-pch --disable-libssp --enable-gnu-unique- + <phant0mas> object --enable-linker-build-id --enable-cloog-backend=isl + --disable-cloog-version-check --enable-lto --enable-plugin + --enable-install-libiberty --with-linker-hash-style=gnu + --disable-multilib --disable-werror --enable-checking=release + <phant0mas> Thread model: posix + <phant0mas> gcc version 4.8.2 20131219 (prerelease) (GCC) + <braunr> check config.log for the actual error message then + <phant0mas> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eQ75qafX + <phant0mas> if you want to have a look as well + <braunr> install gcc-multilib maybe + <braunr> or lib32gcc1 + <sjbalaji> Installing gcc-multilib solves it. + <phant0mas> braunr: it works like a charm now + <braunr> phant0mas: good + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-18 + + <phant0mas> why mig has no make target, and the executable gets generated + from the ./configure? + <phant0mas> I mean shouldn't make be the one building mig? + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-19 + + <phant0mas> mig binary shouldn't be built by make? why is it built at the + end of the configure command? + <braunr> no idea + <phant0mas> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2HVni53Y + <braunr> "creating mig" you mean ? + <phant0mas> loot at the end of the config output + <phant0mas> config.status: creating mig <-- + <phant0mas> the binary + <phant0mas> and then when you call make + <phant0mas> it says no target + <braunr> weird + <phant0mas> normally binaries are built from make + <braunr> what system are you building on ? + <phant0mas> on Arch Linux x86_64 with gcc version 4.8.2 + <phant0mas> I am using the flag i686-pc-gnu to crossbuild it for 32 bit + <phant0mas> I am using the tar file from here + http://ftp.gnu.org.ua/gnu/mig/ + <phant0mas> version 1.4 + <braunr> tar file ? + <braunr> ok, i guess it's fine + <phant0mas> so source from the tar file builds mig through configure? + <braunr> again, i don't know + <braunr> i never build mig myself + <braunr> but it does look weird + <braunr> look at the debian package maybe + <braunr> who knows, maybe you'll find a patch with some explanation + <phant0mas> okay then,going over that way right away + <phant0mas> thnx braunr + <teythoon> phant0mas: mig is a shell script wrapper + <phant0mas> so it's not a binary.... + <teythoon> no + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-21 + + <phant0mas> do I need some minimal set of drivers to build gnumach? + <phant0mas> because I get this error + ../linux/src/drivers/scsi/BusLogic.c:53:24: fatal error: FlashPoint.c: No + such file or directory + <phant0mas> when running make + <teythoon> i thought we fixed that + <teythoon> are your sources up to date ? + <phant0mas> I am using the tar ball + <phant0mas> cause I am trying to package it for guix + <teythoon> what tarball ? + <braunr> 1.4 + <phant0mas> yes + <braunr> phant0mas: just don't build scsi drivers + <phant0mas> 1.4 + <phant0mas> worked + <teythoon> why do we keep the driver if it doesn't even build ? + <gg0> on debian it builds with --disable-net-group --disable-pcmcia-group + --disable-wireless-group + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-23 + + <phant0mas> why when I configure gnumach like this CPP='gcc -m32 -E -x c + -undef -ansi' CC='gcc -m32' LD='ld -melf_i386' ./configure --prefix= + --host=i686-unknown-linux-gnu it builds just fine but when I try to + configure it with ./configure --prefix= --host=i686-unknown-linux-gnu + CFLAGS='-m32' CPPFLAGS='-m32 -E -x c -undef -ansi' LDFLAGS='-melf_i386' + <phant0mas> I am building it on a 64 bit machine + <phant0mas> when setting env vars before configuring everythings works like + a charm + <phant0mas> but if I pass them as flags to the configure ,it won't + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-25 + + <phant0mas> what version of mae do I need in order to compile glibc for + hurd? + <phant0mas> make* + <azeem> phant0mas: did you have issues with a particular version? + <azeem> I believe GNU make is required, though + <phant0mas> I am using gnu make 4.0 and I get the error + <phant0mas> These critical programs are missing or too old: make + <phant0mas> checking version of gmake... 4.0, bad + <azeem> phant0mas: that sounds bogus + <azeem> can you pastebin the relevant part of the config.log or so? + <phant0mas> of course one sec + <phant0mas> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4CHZJi4W + <phant0mas> azeem_: any news about the problem I have with glibc? + <azeem_> phant0mas: sorry - got distracted - I suggest you post this to + bug-hurd or so + <azeem_> though it could well be Hurd-independent, then checking glibc + master and possibly filing a report there might be better + <azeem_> phant0mas: or in case you speak autoconf, check the conf check for + the make version + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-26 + + <tschwinge> ph4nt0mas: Which glibc sources, and how are you + configuring/building? + <phant0mas> tschwinge: I am trying to crossbuild it from a linux 64 bit + machine with gnu make 4.0 and gcc 4.8.2 + <phant0mas> ../configure --prefix=/home/manolis/gnu/glibc/ + --target=i686-pc-gnu + <phant0mas> wrong config + <phant0mas> ../configure --prefix=/home/manolis/gnu/glibc/ + --with-headers=/home/manolis/gnu/include/ --host=i686-pc-gnu + <phant0mas> I am using the last one + <phant0mas> it says gnu make is too old + <phant0mas> this time I tried with glibc from the hurd git repo + <phant0mas> baseline branch + <phant0mas> should I build an older toolchain just for it? + <tschwinge> phant0mas: If you'd like to experiment with this, then please + use the tschwinge/Roger_Whittaker branch. However, that one might still + be missing the glibc upstream change to allow GNU Make 4.0 and greater, + commit 28d708c44bc47b56f6551ff285f78edcf61c208a, so cherry-pick that one + (assuming there are no additional patches needed for GNU Make 4.0). + <phant0mas> okay going to do that right away + <phant0mas> thnx :-) + <tschwinge> phant0mas: You have seen + http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/toolchain/cross-gnu.html -- but beware + this may be out of date somewhat. + <phant0mas> tschwinge: I worked around that problem as you told me + <phant0mas> but it seems I forgot to build hurd + <phant0mas> so I got the tarball + <phant0mas> but I am getting this error + <phant0mas> No rule to make target 'lowlevellock.h', needed by 'timefmt.o'. + Stop. + <phant0mas> after I manage to make all of this work I will write an up to + date guide on how to build the hurd system + <phant0mas> for future reference + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-27 + + <ph4n70m4s> when trying to build gnumach microkernelin a 32 bit enviroment + it builds just fine + <ph4n70m4s> but when i try to crossbuild it from a 64 bit machine, even + though i am using --target=i686-gnu --host=i686-gnu to crossbuild it I + am just getting the error i386/i386/i386asm.symc:116:1: warning: asm + operand 0 probably doesn't match constraints [enabled by default] + <ph4n70m4s> __asm ("\n\ + <ph4n70m4s> ^ + <ph4n70m4s> i386/i386/i386asm.symc:116:1: error: impossible constraint in + 'asm' + <ph4n70m4s> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=emag63N4 + <ph4n70m4s> the config.log + <ph4n70m4s> and the build output if anyone want to have a look + <ph4n70m4s> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jAZPnybB + <ph4n70m4s> wants* + <ph4n70m4s> I am building through guix so you may see some strange paths + <tschwinge> ph4n70m4s: Nice, Guix! :-) + <tschwinge> ph4n70m4s: Does that help? CC=gcc\ -m32 + <tschwinge> Because: + <tschwinge> configure:3574: gcc -v >&5 + <tschwinge> Using built-in specs. + <tschwinge> COLLECT_GCC=gcc + <tschwinge> + COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/nix/store/7awbhk5hdkd4lqj4wsj6lm6h84630jhm-gcc-4.8.2/libexec/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.2/lto-wrapper + <tschwinge> Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu + <teythoon> guix looks nice + <tschwinge> ph4n70m4s: Also you don't need --target with GNU Mach -- it + doesn'T target any architecture, that is, doesn'T create code or similar. + <tschwinge> Alternative to -m32, as you're specying --host=i686-gnu, you + could have (that is, you'd need) a i686-gnu-gcc (that internally defaults + to -m32 then). + <tschwinge> ph4n70m4s: Are you generally working on GNU Hurd support for + Guix, or just trying to build GNU Mach? + <ph4n70m4s> I am working on porting gnu guix to gnu hurd + <ph4n70m4s> so I need to port hurd to it + <ph4n70m4s> bootstrap it + <ph4n70m4s> and the make guix work on hurd + <ph4n70m4s> :-) + <teythoon> very cool :) + <tschwinge> \o/ + <ph4n70m4s> then* + <ph4n70m4s> and If I manage to do all that we will be able to make a qemu + image + <ph4n70m4s> with hurd -guix + <tschwinge> Yep, and then I'll be happy. :-) + <ph4n70m4s> :-) + <tschwinge> For then we'll be easily able to change some detail in, say, + glibc, rebuild the whole system, and see whether it still works. + <ph4n70m4s> exaclty + <tschwinge> Of course, that doesn't strictly need Guix, but it's one way to + achieve this goal. + <tschwinge> For the initial cross compiler toolchain, I suggest you look at + my cross-gnu script (link provided yesterady) -- the gist of it should + all still be valid. + <ph4n70m4s> I do + <tschwinge> For example, you don't actually need to build GNU Mach + initially, but just need to install the headers/defs files + (install-data). + <tschwinge> Perfect. + <ph4n70m4s> I have already done that, installing gnu mach headers was the + easy part + <ph4n70m4s> it's already on guix + <tschwinge> \o/ + <tschwinge> Should really clone Git repository. And subscribe to the + mailing list, and all that. + <ph4n70m4s> I have already done that + <ph4n70m4s> I am actually following hurd from last year + <tschwinge> Yeah, I was talking about me. ;-) + <ph4n70m4s> aaaa + <ph4n70m4s> :P + <tschwinge> ph4n70m4s: Are you doing this as a Google Summer of Code + project? + <ph4n70m4s> I suggested the idea for the page + <ph4n70m4s> to ludovic + <ph4n70m4s> and he agreed + <tschwinge> :-) + <tschwinge> Good guy. + <tschwinge> Both of you. ;-) + <ph4n70m4s> trying my best to help :-) + <ph4n70m4s> tschwinge: so to build glibc I only need mach and hurd headers + <ph4n70m4s> right? + <braunr> yes + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-02-28 + + <phant0mas> tschwinge: In your cross-gnu script while configuring hurd you + pass--disable-profile + <phant0mas> --without-parted . Why do we need to pass these flags to it? + <teythoon> well, --disable-profile turns off profiling afaiui + <teythoon> you should keep it + <teythoon> --without-parted is not needed if you have libparted + <phant0mas> ok + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-03-01 + + <phant0mas> The hurd tarball has as a dependency autoconf + <phant0mas> normally it shouldn't, right? + <azeem> phant0mas: you mean there's no configure script? + <phant0mas> no no, for some reason the configure script states as + dependency autoconf which it shouldn't as it is a tarball + <azeem> phant0mas: how does it state that? + <phant0mas> you already have the configure script in it + <azeem> you get an error running it saying autoconf is required? + <phant0mas> yes + <azeem> hrm + <phant0mas> actually it gives an error for autoconf and git + <phant0mas> but if you have autoconf ,it forgets about git + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-03-02 + + <phant0mas> youpi: civodul told me you are the one to ask about libpthread + <phant0mas> how should I handle Hurd's libpthread in order to build it,with + the rest of the hurd system? + <phant0mas> anything I should be extra carefull? + <phant0mas> I am building it from the tarball + <youpi> phant0mas: nothing I can think of + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-03-03 + + <phant0mas> youpi: what does libpthread do when we do "make + install-data-local-headers" ? + <phant0mas> Does it patch the mach headers in the prefix folder? + <phant0mas> tschwinge: why do we need this flag passed to configure at + libpthread "ac_cv_lib_ihash_hurd_ihash_create"? + <youpi> phant0mas: I don't remember such detajils of the build system + <phant0mas> I am studying the cross-gnu script from tschwinge + <phant0mas> and if I try to call configure without that flag I am getting + the error + <phant0mas> configure: error: need libihash + <tschwinge> Well, there's this comment: # `$TARGET-gcc' doesn't work yet + (to satisfy the Autoconf checks), but [...] + <tschwinge> At this point we're only intested in the header files, so that + was the "path of least resistance". + <phant0mas> so we are only interested in the headers of libpthread? + <phant0mas> do I need to pass as --prefix the folder which the include + folder with the mach headers are installed? + <tschwinge> I wonder whether it'd be better for you to directly include + libpthread in glibc, as Debian is doing -- probably yes. + +[[open_issues/packaging_libpthread]]. + + <phant0mas> maybe it would be much simpler that way + <phant0mas> let me check the debian package + <braunr> i'd consider it mandatory, since libpthread can't work correctly + now if it's not part of glibc + <tschwinge> Ack. + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-03-05 + + <teythoon> braunr: did i understand it correctly that our libpthread needs + libihash ? + <teythoon> if so, won't that be a problem for phant0mas bootstrapping + efforts ? + <braunr> apparently, they're used only for thread-specific data + <braunr> which could now be implemented on top of TLS + <braunr> although i'm not sure + <braunr> but to answer, yes, it depends on libihash + <braunr> why would it be a problem ? + <teythoon> b/c it then forms a dependency loop + <braunr> which one ? + <teythoon> hurd->libc (which includes libpthread, thus)->hurd + <braunr> isn't that already the case ? + <teythoon> yes + <braunr> what's the problem then ? + <braunr> actually, it's not a dependency loop + <teythoon> y not ? + <braunr> hurd and libc depend on each other headers + <teythoon> ah, right + <braunr> actually, hurd-libs depend on libc headers + <braunr> hurd executables do depend on libc + <braunr> it's a bit tedious to bootstrap but not much more than the + three-step build required for linux already + <phant0mas> actually for that libihash if I pass the flag + "ac_cv_lib_ihash_hurd_ihash_create=yes" at configure it stops asking for + it + + <phant0mas> when glibc's configure says "configure: running configure + fragment for add-on libpthread" + <phant0mas> does it mean it runs configure inside the folder of libpthread? + <youpi> I guess so + <phant0mas> yeh because I am getting the error configure: error: cannot + find sources (include/pthread/pthread.h) in .. or .. + <phant0mas> which I should not as I am passing + <phant0mas> the path to that folder + <phant0mas> it's an error from libpthread configure + + +## IRC, freenode, #glibc, 2014-03-05 + + <phant0mas> when we pass to the configure script of glibc the flag + --enable-add-ons=something what it the process followed for that addon? + How does it build it? + <phant0mas> what is* + + +## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2014-03-05 + + <phant0mas> ../configure --without-cvs --build=i686-pc-gnu + --host=i686-pc-gnu --target=i686-pc-gnu --prefix="/home/manolis/gnu/" + --with-headers="/home/manolis/gnu/include/" --disable-profile + --disable-multi-arch --enable-add-ons=libpthread + <phant0mas> trying to configuring glibc with libpthreads as addon I get + this + <phant0mas> configure: running configure fragment for add-on libpthread + <phant0mas> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target + <phant0mas> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target + <phant0mas> configure: error: cannot find sources + (include/pthread/pthread.h) in .. or .. + <phant0mas> without libpthread it moves on + <phant0mas> in the include folder it should find al the headers it needs + <phant0mas> maybe it's a problem that I installed the headers from the + tarballs + <phant0mas> while glibc is from the git repo + <phant0mas> if I remove libpthread + <phant0mas> I get the error configure: error: Hurd headers not installed or + too old + <phant0mas> I really think I should reinstall the headers using the source + from the repo the headers + <phant0mas> the headers from the tar ball are okay + <phant0mas> when I pass this flag to "--enable-add-ons=libpthread" to glibc + configure how can I pass flags for the libpthread configure that it's + called while configuring? + <teythoon> phant0mas: you could look at what the debian package does + <phant0mas> ok + <braunr> phant0mas: check debian glibc for all the patches |