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+# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-09-01
+ <rekado> I'm new to the hurd but I'd love to learn enough to work on sound
+ says drivers should be ported to GNU Mach as a first step.
+ <rekado> Is this information still current or should the existing Linux
+ driver be wrapped with DDE instead?
+ <auronandace> if i recall correctly dde is currently only being used for
+ network drivers. i'm not sure how much work would be involved for sound
+ or usb
+## IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2013-09-02
+ <rekado> The sound support proposal
+ recommends porting some other kernel's sound driver to GNU Mach. Is this
+ still current or should DDE be used instead?
+ <pinotree> rekado: dde or anything userspace-based is generally preferred
+ <braunr> rekado: both are about porting some other kernel's sound driver
+ <braunr> dde is preferred yes
+ <rekado> This email says that sound drivers are already partly working with
+ DDE: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/pipermail/l4-hackers/2009/004291.html
+ <rekado> So, should I just try to get some ALSA kernel parts to compile
+ with DDE?
+ <pinotree> well, what is missing is also the dde←→hurd glue
+ <braunr> rekado: there is also a problem with pci arbitration
+ <rekado> pinotree: I assumed DDEKit works with the hurd and we could use
+ any DDE/<other kernel> glue code with it
+ * rekado looks up pci arbitration
+ <pinotree> only for networking atm
+ <rekado> ah, I see.