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-
-# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-05-22
-
- <silver_hook> Since apparently Hurd's aim is a very stable and transparent
- system ...why aren't there any companies backing it up?
- <antrik> silver_hook: it's not in a state yet where it would be
- commercially interesting
- <antrik> silver_hook: and after some epic failures in the 90s, few
- companies dare to invest in microkernel development...
- <silver_hook> Isn't MacOS X running on top of Mach?
- <antrik> yes, but it's not a true microkernel system
- <antrik> for one, it's single-server, which is boring
- <antrik> also it uses co-location, i.e. runs all the system code in the
- kernel address space -- they are separated only formally
- <antrik> even NT is more of a microkernel system I think
- <silver_hook> Oh, OK, I'm not that knowledgeable about kernels to know
- that.
- <antrik> well, now you know :-)
- <silver_hook> Yup, thanks :)
- <antrik> most people don't know this, so don't worry
- <silver_hook> I was just wondering that it might be potentially an ideal
- server system, right?
- <antrik> well, *potentially* it might be an ideal general-purpose system,
- which includes server use... though personally I think the advantages of
- the architecture are more visible in desktop use, as servers tend to be
- rather streamlined, with little need for individualisation :-)
- <antrik> however, it still remains to be proven that true (multi-server)
- microkernel operating systems actually work for general-purpose
- applications...
- <silver_hook> antrik: I mean regarding hosting or virtual servers.
- <antrik> so far, they are only successful in the much simpler embedded
- space
- <antrik> well, yes, the Hurd architecture in theory allows very much
- flexibility regarding virtual environments... I once blogged about
- that. not sure whether server applications really require that
- flexibility though. I think most people are pretty happy with the various
- virtualisation/container solutions available in Linux. again, the
- flexibility is more relevant in the desktop space IMHO
- <antrik> dosn't mean it wouldn't be useful for servers too... just not as
- much of a selling point I fear :-)
-
-
-# IRC, freenode, #hurd, 2011-07-09
-
- <antrik> gnu_srs1: regarding your question why people aren't interested in
- workin on Hurd: Eric Raymond explains it pretty well in his famous
- "Cathedral and Bazaar" paper
- <antrik> people are more likely to work on something that *almost* works
- for them, and where they only have to fill in a few missing bits
- <antrik> the Hurd doesn't almost work for anyone
- <antrik> actually, you should probably reread the whole paper. it's
- essentially an analysis why the Hurd failed compared to Linux
-
-
-# [[open_issues/mission_statement]]